The Wages of Wins Journal

The Brand Value

July 13, 2008 · 31 Comments

Last year the Eastern Conference consisted of the Boston Celtics, Detroit Pistons, Orlando Magic, and a whole bunch of teams that would be lottery bound if they were located closer to my new home in Utah.  Now with Elton Brand’s arrival in Philadelphia, the 76ers are being ranked – by the sports media — among the power-that-be in the NBA’s lesser conference. 

It’s easy to recall that this was the same sports media that thought the 76ers last season were going to be among the NBA’s worst teams (see “Better Experts Needed” an article from last April in The Philadelphia City Paper).  So we might be a bit skeptical when members of the sports media claim the addition of a player who missed almost all of last year is enough to transform a 40 win team into a serious playoff contender.

Although we might be skeptical, in this case I think the general sentiment is correct.  The sports media is correct to argue that Philadelphia is now one of the better Eastern Conference teams (although probably not as good as Boston).  Where the sports media may have it wrong, though, is why Brand makes the Sixers a better team.

Why Brand Makes this Team Better

The why story begins with what the Sixers were last year.

Table One: The Philadelphia 76ers in 2007-08

If we look at what the players employed by Philadelphia did in 2006-07 (except the rookies) and the minutes each player played in 2007-08, we would have expected the Sixers to win 39 games last season.  In other words, the Sixers last year were about as good as expected.  At least, as good as you would expect if you had looked at Wins Produced.

When we look at the individual players we see why the Sixers should have expected to be an average NBA team (and that is all they were, average).  In 2006-07, Andre Miller, Andre Iguodala, Reggie Evans, and Samuel Dalembert were all above average performers.  Despite having four “good” players, though, the Sixers were expected to be held back by the very poor performances of Willie Green and Rodney Carney.

In 2007-08, Willie Green improved tremendously.  After being one of the least productive NBA player in 2006-07, Green was merely quite bad in 2007-08.  Meanwhile, Reggie Evans got a bit worse, although he was still above average.

In looking at the Brand acquisition, it’s the play of Evans that people have focused upon.  Evans has never averaged as much as six points per game as an NBA player.  Such meager scoring totals lead many NBA observers to conclude that Evans is not an effective NBA player.  When we look past scoring, though, and consider all that Evans does -especially his rebounding – we see that Evans is actually an above average in productivity.  In other words, replacing Evans with Brand – by itself – is not going to lead to that many more wins.

So how is Brand going to help the Sixers?  The key is changes in position played.  Last year the Sixers had two productive big men (Dalembert and Evans).  After these two, the only other traditional big man to receive significant minutes was Jason Smith, and he was not very productive.  With a short supply of tall people on the roster, the Sixers had to turn to Thaddeus Young at the power forward spot.  This meant that Andre Iguodala had to spend more time at small forward.  And Willie Green – who was still quite bad – had to take most of the minutes at shooting guard.

With Brand on board, Philadelphia now has three quality big men (and its four if rookie Marreese Speights can be productive).  This means that Young can now play small forward, where he should be an above average performer.  And Iguodala can now take most of the minutes at shooting guard.  In sum, the Sixers can now field the following line-up of above average performers:

Point Guard: Andre Miller

Shooting Guard: Andre Iguodala

Small Forward: Thaddeus Young

Power Forward: Elton Brand and Reggie Evans

Center: Samuel Dalembert

Backing up these six players we see guard Louis Williams, a player that was almost average last year.  And Speights – as noted above – might also be a productive big man. 

Adding Brand to this line-up allows the Sixers to move players to their most productive positions.  And as a result, Philadelphia can now expect to challenge every team outside of Boston in the Eastern Conference.

Assigning Credit

Now who should get credit for the re-building of the Sixers?  The media has focused on new team president, Ed Stefanski.  But of the six “good” players listed above, five were acquired by Billy King, the man Stefanski replaced.  It was King that drafted Dalembert, Iguodala, and Young.  And King is the person who traded Allen Iverson for Andre Miller and Reggie Evans.  The only significant move Stefanski has made is to sign Elton Brand.  Yes, this move helps.  But when you look at all the productive players that King acquired, it’s hard not to give King the lion-share of the credit for the Sixers expected success in 2008-09.

I sense, though, that King will not get this credit.  Just as I suspect the Evans will continue to be overlooked for his contribution to his team success.

So to summarize… the sports media is correct when it says the Sixers will be quite good this year.  The “why” part of the story, though, still seems just a bit off.

- DJ

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Wins Produced vs. Win Score

What Wins Produced Says and What It Does Not Say

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31 responses so far ↓

  • Tommy_Grand // July 13, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    Great article!!

  • kevin // July 14, 2008 at 5:14 am

    I’m not sure why everyone outside of Philly seems to believe you can just slide Iguodola to shooting guard. Sure, almost anyone would be an improvement over Willie Green – but Iguodola does not appear to have the typical skills required for the 2.

  • mrparker // July 14, 2008 at 6:22 am

    Kevin,
    What are the typical skills of a two? Just going by the numbers you have centers who on average lead the league in fg percentage and rebounding. And then you have point guards who lead the league in assists and probably steals. All the other positions involve these attributes but to a lesser level.

    For instance a good power forward might be able to play small forward as long as the he isn’t a turnover machine if he has to dribble and he can pass sufficiently well.

    The same could be said about Iguodala. SF is still a wing position, so the ball handling shouldn’t be a problem for AI. He is also an above average passer even for a sg. If he can rebound at the same level, he should make an excellent shooting guard.

    The real argument needs to be made about Thaddeus Young actually playing hard and well for longer than a half of a season. IMO he is not a player you want to count on as your starting small forward.

  • Leon Douglas // July 14, 2008 at 9:10 am

    An excellent shooting guard must (surprise!) be able to create his own offense. Iguodala struggled badly against Detroit in the playoffs. In halfcourt sets he will not be able to overcome elite defenses, and that is the playoff game in a nutshell. It was the same reason Joe Dumars traded Jerry Stackhouse for a more efficient scorer in Rip Hamilton.

  • Kent // July 14, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    This is an excellent post. Thank you very much.

  • Anon // July 14, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    But don’t they have the option of either running the offense through Brand (who is quite capable of creating his own offense) , or running their offense through andre miller, whose job it is to create offense for others? And having one bad series against one of the elite perimeter defenders in the league doesn’t mean Iguodala is incapable of creating his own shot. He’s usually OK at it, if not spectacular.

  • stephanie // July 14, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    So what will Philly’s 08-09 record be then assuming Brand is healthy?

  • The Sports Complex :: Blog Archive :: Dave Berri on the Brand Value :: Philadelphia City Paper :: Philadelphia Arts, Restaurants, Music, Movies, Jobs, Classifieds, Blogs // July 15, 2008 at 7:27 am

    [...] In his most recent post, The Brand Value, Berri looks at the addition of E.B. and concludes that it should, in fact, significantly improve the Sixers.  His answer as to why isn’t the standard one though.  What he said and more thoughts, ATJ [...]

  • mrparker // July 15, 2008 at 8:05 am

    What shooting guard overcomes elite defenses? I am having trouble coming up with one performance by a non hall of fame shooting guard.

  • Vince Gagliano // July 15, 2008 at 8:10 am

    Michael Jordan did it throughout his career, and he’s not even enshrined yet.

    Any questions?

  • The Sports Complex :: Blog Archive :: More Sixer Talk: on Berri and Brand :: Philadelphia City Paper :: Philadelphia Arts, Restaurants, Music, Movies, Jobs, Classifieds, Blogs // July 15, 2008 at 9:25 am

    [...] you’re just checking in Dave Berri talks about Brand HERE and I respond [...]

  • Tom Mandel // July 15, 2008 at 9:28 am

    Great article — and, as a Wizards fan, I’m not happy about it. Btw, I expect Speights to be a *very* productive rookie based on what he did in college.

  • The Sports Complex :: Blog Archive :: Berri on Brand, cont. :: Philadelphia City Paper :: Philadelphia Arts, Restaurants, Music, Movies, Jobs, Classifieds, Blogs // July 15, 2008 at 11:45 am

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  • Kent // July 16, 2008 at 2:36 am

    Great post on sabernomics comments about props over/underperformance: “I would imagine that there is probably a good deal of persistence to which players over- and underperform their PrOPS. If you try to separate individual skills that you think would cause this (pull hitting, speed, etc.), you might not blur the results with an imperfectly measured dependent variable, resulting in attenuation bias.

    What about including a variable in the regression for the previous year’s {OPS-PrOPS}? Wouldn’t that capture most of the omitted variables bias? After all, if there is a characteristic that leads to over- or underperformance, it would probably be present in prevoius years.”

    http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2008/07/2008-props-stars-overperformers-and-underperformers/

    Dave Berri, please notice the LEGITIMATE use of last period’s residuals in forecasting next period. You INCORRECTLY said this couldn’t be done statistically when you were criticizing Rosenbaum.

  • blitz // July 16, 2008 at 3:30 am

    and with the Clippers deal with the Nuggets, this ends up being a Camby / Brand trade. Now – assuming health for Camby, Kaman & Davis – watch everyone’s surprise as the Clippers make the playoffs. As Dunleavy is not actually that bad a coach, they might even be able to have some semblance of a defensive system and move beyond the first round.

    Meanwhile, the Nuggets will be lucky to win 35 games.

  • stephanie // July 16, 2008 at 4:53 am

    According to WoW Camby last season was the second most productive center in the league. Is the rest of the Clippers > the rest of the Nuggets? Are we seriously expecting the Clippers to win 5o or 60 games now?

  • mrpaker // July 16, 2008 at 6:42 am

    I was really hoping to see a post about the Clippers acquiring Camby when I woke up this morning.

    I am a bartender, and when I start telling people that I think the CLippers are going to be pretty good this year I am going to be ridiculed. If you gamble these are the situations that make your mouth water.

  • ilikeflowers // July 16, 2008 at 8:29 am

    Wow, the Clippers basically (and probably unknowingly) replaced all of their lost production (in the short term) from Brand and Maggette with this one move. This is another excellent test case especially in relationship to other statistical measures (PER etc..) which don’t think that Camby is an elite player.

    So if the Clippers become a 50-60 win team this season, does Baron Davis become the MVP and take the crown from Kobe at the Best Player in the Universe Pageant?

  • Jeremy // July 16, 2008 at 9:40 am

    I can’t wait to see Berri blow a gasket over the Fleecing of a trade for Camby. That’s dissapointing to me living in Denver, as Camby was hands down the best and most exciting player on that team. They should move that ballhog AI or Melo instead of giving up their best player of nothing.

  • Owen // July 16, 2008 at 10:08 am

    As currently constituted the Clips don’t look like a 60 win team. After their top three, they don’t really have much. Their best player is Brevin Knight, who will be backing up Davis.

    However, unless I am mistaken, they have a lot of cap space available. Add Deng or Igoudala to the mix and they might really be on to something….

  • Owen // July 16, 2008 at 10:09 am

    Actually, check that, not sure how much cap space they have….

  • dberri // July 16, 2008 at 10:28 am

    Let me jump into the comments real quick…
    Owen has it right. The Clips have nothing after Camby, Davis, and Kamen. This team is not likely to win 60 games. I will try and post on this soon.

  • ilikeflowers // July 16, 2008 at 10:47 am

    My back-of-the-envelope calculations for a starting lineup that plays 38 minutes a game:

    Player/WinsProducedLastYear
    Camby/21
    Davis/12
    Kaman/10
    AvgSF/6
    AvgSG/6

    Reduce Camby and Kaman’s productivity by 10% to account for diminishing returns and this gives 52 wins from the starting lineup. Average net bench productivity could add another 5 to 8 wins.

    Of course this is assuming that:
    [1] Camby, Kaman, and Davis don’t miss any significant time due to injury (a big if)
    [2] the Clippers can field an average SF/SG combo
    [3] they will have a bench with net positive productivity

  • Anon // July 16, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    But Eric Gordon will probably take a lot of minutes at SG and he will probably be terrible. Average SF is questionable too, especially since they’re gonna play Thornton and he’s awful. So smart money is on getting approximately zero out of those positions. Then assume the bench is bad, and the fact that all 3 of their stars have questionable injury histories, and this team looks like it’ll be lucky to finish with 45 wins.

  • Evan // July 16, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Agree with Anon, but that’s a great year for the Clips!

  • Jacob Rosen // July 16, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    Clippers are in contention to compete for the playoffs, just as I thought they were if they had resigned Brand. They are solidly better than Portland, and are probably right up there with Dallas, and Phoenix in the conference. The combination of Baron Davis, and Marcus Camby is one of the best duos in the league (better than or equal to Marion + Wade, Nowitzki + Kidd, or Stoudemire + Nash), and should enable the Clippers to have some short-term success.

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  • JazzFanInHouston // July 30, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Artest’s win number is 3+, Bobby Jackson’s win number is 2+. Do Artest’s win (wp48 and win score numbers) numbers with the Kings accurately predict how much incremental impact he will have on the Rockets?

    Is there a way to predict the impact of a new player on a new team?

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