Comments on: Clipper Camby http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/clipper-camby/ More Stories from The Wages of Wins Sat, 02 Jan 2010 08:09:16 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Pareto Prediction and the Top Trios in 2007-08 « The Wages of Wins Journal http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/clipper-camby/#comment-58430 Pareto Prediction and the Top Trios in 2007-08 « The Wages of Wins Journal Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:38:45 +0000 http://dberri.wordpress.com/?p=855#comment-58430 [...] the Heat, another top threesome has also been assembled by the Clippers.  As I noted a few weeks ago, the combo of Marcus Camby, Chris Kaman, and Baron Davis does put another top trio in LA.  [...] [...] the Heat, another top threesome has also been assembled by the Clippers.  As I noted a few weeks ago, the combo of Marcus Camby, Chris Kaman, and Baron Davis does put another top trio in LA.  [...]

]]> By: ilikeflowers http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/clipper-camby/#comment-58326 ilikeflowers Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:39:20 +0000 http://dberri.wordpress.com/?p=855#comment-58326 Nice try for Azubuike, but the Warriors wisely matched the offer. Ricky Davis won't help - but at least he's not in the negative. Nice try for Azubuike, but the Warriors wisely matched the offer. Ricky Davis won’t help – but at least he’s not in the negative.

]]> By: ilikeflowers http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/clipper-camby/#comment-58180 ilikeflowers Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:45:24 +0000 http://dberri.wordpress.com/?p=855#comment-58180 Kelenna Azubuike looks like a decent fit for the clippers. His production is below average at 0.070, but he's better than what they currently have and he's only been in the league for a couple of years so he could improve to an average or more SG. Now if they can just get rid of Al Thornton. Kelenna Azubuike looks like a decent fit for the clippers. His production is below average at 0.070, but he’s better than what they currently have and he’s only been in the league for a couple of years so he could improve to an average or more SG. Now if they can just get rid of Al Thornton.

]]> By: Todd http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/clipper-camby/#comment-58174 Todd Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:49:36 +0000 http://dberri.wordpress.com/?p=855#comment-58174 Rebounding numbers are normally very consistent because players fill similar roles from season to season. Last year we saw change in the rebounding of players who were put in considerably different situations like Kevin Garnett and Kaman. When you put two good frontcourt rebounders on a team together, at least one of them will have fewer rebounds because there are only so many missed shots each game. Dennis Rodman's career is a testament to this. Look at the rebounding numbers of Bill Laimbeer, David Robinson, Scottie Pippen, and Luc Longley before they played with Rodman vs. when they played with Rodman. Each player's rebounding numbers were adversely affected. The same is true of most statistics. AI's shot attempts went down about 5 per game when he went to Denver, despite the faster playing pace, because there were other players there that took shots. It is possible that Kaman and Camby will have the same WP48 this year as last, but at least one of them will have to do it in a different way, probably with less rebounding and better shooting. Rebounding numbers are normally very consistent because players fill similar roles from season to season. Last year we saw change in the rebounding of players who were put in considerably different situations like Kevin Garnett and Kaman. When you put two good frontcourt rebounders on a team together, at least one of them will have fewer rebounds because there are only so many missed shots each game. Dennis Rodman’s career is a testament to this. Look at the rebounding numbers of Bill Laimbeer, David Robinson, Scottie Pippen, and Luc Longley before they played with Rodman vs. when they played with Rodman. Each player’s rebounding numbers were adversely affected. The same is true of most statistics. AI’s shot attempts went down about 5 per game when he went to Denver, despite the faster playing pace, because there were other players there that took shots. It is possible that Kaman and Camby will have the same WP48 this year as last, but at least one of them will have to do it in a different way, probably with less rebounding and better shooting.

]]> By: Jason http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/clipper-camby/#comment-58173 Jason Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:02:10 +0000 http://dberri.wordpress.com/?p=855#comment-58173 If rebound numbers are largely situational, it seems like players who rebound largely dictate the situation. Rebounding seems to be ridiculously consistent from year to year for a player, even when he changes teams. Yeah, the pace and situation can have an effect, but it sounds like some people are saying that the situation can turn an 8rpg center into a 12rpg center if only the situation was right. (And it's true, if that situation involved an NBA player a parks and rec league. OK, maybe it still wouldn't be true for Eddy Curry.) If rebound numbers are largely situational, it seems like players who rebound largely dictate the situation. Rebounding seems to be ridiculously consistent from year to year for a player, even when he changes teams.

Yeah, the pace and situation can have an effect, but it sounds like some people are saying that the situation can turn an 8rpg center into a 12rpg center if only the situation was right. (And it’s true, if that situation involved an NBA player a parks and rec league. OK, maybe it still wouldn’t be true for Eddy Curry.)

]]> By: mrpaker http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/clipper-camby/#comment-58172 mrpaker Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:51:57 +0000 http://dberri.wordpress.com/?p=855#comment-58172 Todd, Camby has been a top 3 defensive rebounder every season since 00-01. I wouldn't call the Knicks of 00-01 a fast paced team. In fact they were the 29th out of 29th in pace that season. All stats found on basketball-reference.com Todd,
Camby has been a top 3 defensive rebounder every season since 00-01. I wouldn’t call the Knicks of 00-01 a fast paced team. In fact they were the 29th out of 29th in pace that season. All stats found on basketball-reference.com

]]> By: Todd http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/clipper-camby/#comment-58171 Todd Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:30:48 +0000 http://dberri.wordpress.com/?p=855#comment-58171 Great post Mike. I think you really hit the nail on the head. Rebounding numbers are largely situational, as has been mentioned many times in these posts. Camby was great because he played on a fast paced team where nobody else wanted to rebound, and Kaman was great last year because he played alongside out of position small forwards. We will likely see a return to the numbers of both players earlier in their careers when they were not asked to be their team's primary rebounder when on the court. Great post Mike. I think you really hit the nail on the head. Rebounding numbers are largely situational, as has been mentioned many times in these posts. Camby was great because he played on a fast paced team where nobody else wanted to rebound, and Kaman was great last year because he played alongside out of position small forwards. We will likely see a return to the numbers of both players earlier in their careers when they were not asked to be their team’s primary rebounder when on the court.

]]> By: Dan http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/clipper-camby/#comment-58170 Dan Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:11:06 +0000 http://dberri.wordpress.com/?p=855#comment-58170 Bonzi Wells would be a perfect fit to give the Clippers a very productive (over .200 WP/48 in the past) 25-30 min/night bench player (or starter if Dunleavy figures out Al Thornton is terrible) who can play the 2-3-4 and rebound very well. If Thornton decides to let his teammates shoot once in a while, Bonzi would make the Clippers a very good team. He hasn't garnered much interest in the free agent market and could probably be had for $3-4 million/season, and I hope the Spurs pick him up to replace some of Finley/Horry/Barry's minutes. Bonzi Wells would be a perfect fit to give the Clippers a very productive (over .200 WP/48 in the past) 25-30 min/night bench player (or starter if Dunleavy figures out Al Thornton is terrible) who can play the 2-3-4 and rebound very well. If Thornton decides to let his teammates shoot once in a while, Bonzi would make the Clippers a very good team. He hasn’t garnered much interest in the free agent market and could probably be had for $3-4 million/season, and I hope the Spurs pick him up to replace some of Finley/Horry/Barry’s minutes.

]]> By: ilikeflowers http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/clipper-camby/#comment-58169 ilikeflowers Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:15:48 +0000 http://dberri.wordpress.com/?p=855#comment-58169 Maybe the Clippers will play Fazekas some this year. If he can fulfill upon the promise of his college career then maybe he can provide a boost to the bench. Continuing on the How To Make The Clippers SF/SG/Bench play better, Here's a list of UFA's with their midway W48's from last season who at least won't negate the production of other players. Kurt Thomas, 0.302 Dwayne Jones, 0.233 Eddie House, 0.163 Randolph Morris, 0.156 Bonzi Wells, 0.132 Carlos Arroyo, 0.121 Sam Cassell, 0.119 Adonal Foyle, 0.111 Kirk Snyder, 0.105 Ira Newble, 0.097 Michael Finley, 0.088 Mario West, 0.083 Jason Williams, 0.082 Dikembe Mutombo, 0.076 Alonzo Mourning, 0.074 Brian Skinner, 0.064 Damon Stoudamire, 0.064 Devin Brown, 0.060 Tony Allen, 0.057 Devean George, 0.054 Austin Croshere, 0.052 DerMarr Johnson, 0.051 Fred Jones, 0.050 Chris Duhon, 0.043 Matt Barnes, 0.040 Derek Anderson, 0.039 Jake Voskuhl, 0.029 Francisco Elson, 0.025 Scot Pollard, 0.017 Lorenzen Wright, 0.017 Lindsey Hunter, 0.013 Ricky Davis, 0.009 Maurice Evans, 0.007 Anyone, are any of these possible or likely for the Clips? Maybe the Clippers will play Fazekas some this year. If he can fulfill upon the promise of his college career then maybe he can provide a boost to the bench.

Continuing on the How To Make The Clippers SF/SG/Bench play better, Here’s a list of UFA’s with their midway W48’s from last season who at least won’t negate the production of other players.

Kurt Thomas, 0.302
Dwayne Jones, 0.233
Eddie House, 0.163
Randolph Morris, 0.156
Bonzi Wells, 0.132
Carlos Arroyo, 0.121
Sam Cassell, 0.119
Adonal Foyle, 0.111
Kirk Snyder, 0.105
Ira Newble, 0.097
Michael Finley, 0.088
Mario West, 0.083
Jason Williams, 0.082
Dikembe Mutombo, 0.076
Alonzo Mourning, 0.074
Brian Skinner, 0.064
Damon Stoudamire, 0.064
Devin Brown, 0.060
Tony Allen, 0.057
Devean George, 0.054
Austin Croshere, 0.052
DerMarr Johnson, 0.051
Fred Jones, 0.050
Chris Duhon, 0.043
Matt Barnes, 0.040
Derek Anderson, 0.039
Jake Voskuhl, 0.029
Francisco Elson, 0.025
Scot Pollard, 0.017
Lorenzen Wright, 0.017
Lindsey Hunter, 0.013
Ricky Davis, 0.009
Maurice Evans, 0.007

Anyone, are any of these possible or likely for the Clips?

]]> By: Dan http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/clipper-camby/#comment-58168 Dan Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:27:33 +0000 http://dberri.wordpress.com/?p=855#comment-58168 Camby and Kaman have very different playing styles. Camby cleans up garbage and takes ill-advised 18-footers. Kaman has real post moves and you can run a set offense through him. Both pass moderately well, and Kaman has a low basketball IQ on defense and is poor at weak-side rotations, though has become a much better shot-blocker over the last year. Their skill sets really complement each others' strengths and weaknesses, and both are athletic enough to keep from clogging up the low block on offense. They're not going to be close to matching Duncan/Robinson-type production (and defense), but they can definitely be close to Gasol/Bynum-production, which is a massive improvement over the potential prospect of picking up Josh Smith and his insistence on scoring 20ppg. Camby and Kaman have very different playing styles. Camby cleans up garbage and takes ill-advised 18-footers. Kaman has real post moves and you can run a set offense through him. Both pass moderately well, and Kaman has a low basketball IQ on defense and is poor at weak-side rotations, though has become a much better shot-blocker over the last year. Their skill sets really complement each others’ strengths and weaknesses, and both are athletic enough to keep from clogging up the low block on offense. They’re not going to be close to matching Duncan/Robinson-type production (and defense), but they can definitely be close to Gasol/Bynum-production, which is a massive improvement over the potential prospect of picking up Josh Smith and his insistence on scoring 20ppg.

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