Earlier this summer James Posey departed Boston for the New Orleans Hornets. And now the Celtics have responded by adding… Darius Miles?
Miles last played NBA basketball in 2005-06. Recently a doctor declared his career over. And now — despite what one doctor says — he has signed with the Boston Celtics. So what exactly is Boston getting?
The Miles Career
Miles was drafted by the LA Clippers with the third choice of the 2000 NBA draft. As a rookie Miles produced 8.2 wins and posted a 0.185 WP48 [Wins Produced per 48 minutes]. Average WP48 is 0.100, so Miles was quite good in 2000-01. He followed this stellar rookie campaign with 7.3 Wins Produced and a 0.158 WP48 his sophomore season.
Posey posted a 0.136 WP48 last season, so if Boston is getting the Miles of his first two seasons the Celtics would be a bit improved. Unfortunately the Miles of his sophomore campaign hasn’t appeared much since 2002.
During the summer of 2002 the Clippers traded Miles to the Cleveland Cavaliers for point guard Andre Miller. With Cleveland the Wins Produced offered by Miles declined to -0.3 (with a WP48 of -0.008). Yes, that’s pretty bad.
The next season Miles posted a 0.055 WP48 in Cleveland during the first half of the season. In mid-season he was traded to Portland where his WP48 was 0.162, a mark similar to what we saw when Miles played in LA.
The resurgence of Miles, though, didn’t last. In both 2004-05 and 2005-06 he was again below average, posting a 0.068 WP48 in 04-05 and a disastrous -0.087 mark in 05-06.
What caused this decline? Part of the story is injury. But when we look at the individual stats- posted in Table One – another story emerges.
Table One: The Career of Darius Miles
In his first two seasons Miles was above average in terms of shooting efficiency, rebounds, and blocked shots. As his career progressed, though, Mile increasingly focused on scoring. Relative to his first two seasons, the Miles in Cleveland and Portland took more shots and generally scored more points. This increased focus on scoring, though, came at a cost. His shooting efficiency, rebounds, and blocked shots generally declined while his turnovers generally increased. In essence, it looks like Miles – after his life as a Clipper – began to respond to the incentive all NBA players face. Players are primarily paid to score. Unfortunately for the team’s employing Miles, his attention to scoring led to less production elsewhere, and ultimately, far fewer wins.
The Celtics Going Forward
Obviously when you sign a player that a doctor said isn’t going to play anymore, you can’t expect much. You certainly can’t expect such a player to replace Posey. But even if Miles is healthy, the version we saw in Portland and Cleveland wouldn’t help much anyway.
So what else has the Celtics done this summer to improve? Well, not much. J.R. Giddens and Bill Walker were added in the draft. And Patrick O’Bryant – a 2006 lottery pick who has logged 218 minutes in his NBA career – was signed as a back-up center.
Such moves hardly compare to what this team did last summer. Last summer the Celtics traded for Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett. And then Boston added in free agency Posey and Eddie House. These moves transformed a team that only won 24 games in 2006-07.
Table Two: The Boston Celtics in 2007-08
As Table Two indicates, given what these players did in 2006-07, the Celtics should have expected about 52 wins last year. In other words, the team should have expected about a 28 game improvement in the standings.
One should note, though, that 2006-07 was a down year for Paul Pierce, Kendrick Perkins, KG, and R. Allen. If we look at the 2005-06 numbers for these four players – numbers that appear more consistent with each player’s career marks -Boston would have expected about 65 wins last year. When the season was over, the Celtics – led by KG and Pierce (and let’s not forget Rajon Rondo) – won 66 games. The 42 additional wins was the largest regular season turnaround in NBA history. And when the post-season ended, the Celtics had won the franchise’s first title since the days of Larry Bird.
Unfortunately for Boston, KG, Pierce, and R. Allen have each passed the dreaded age of 30. So although each player bounced back in 2007-08, we know that inevitably each player must decline. This is a problem because the team Boston faced in the finals – the LA Lakers – will be getting much better.
In the first half of 2007-08 season the Lakers – as I noted last fall – Bynum led the Lakers in WP48. But then he got hurt. Initially the Lakers suffered, but after the acquisition of Pau Gasol, the Lakers improved enough to reach the NBA Finals.
If Bynum can return healthy and productive, LA’s line-up will feature Kobe Bryant, Lamar Odom, Gasol, and Bynum. This quartet is easily the best in the NBA. Consequently, as I have noted in the past, LA is the favorite to take the title in 2009.
And this means that Boston is going to have to get even better to defend its title. So far, though, Boston has lost a productive player in Posey and not added much. And given the age of its players, we should expect many of the top Celtics to actually decline. Consequently, just like we saw when Bird led Boston to titles in the 1980s, the Celtics are not likely to repeat as champions in 2009.
- DJ
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22 responses so far ↓
Nick // August 26, 2008 at 12:22 am
Professor Berri,
I’m a little confused. Your team reviews of the Celtics, Timberwolves, and Sonics in 2006-2007 show significantly different (and in all cases higher) WP48 for all the players you listed. For instance, you list KG at WP48 .316 in the table above but in your Twolves 06-07 review you put him at .330 for that year. For Rondo, you put him at .175 here but .189 in the Celtics team review. For Pierce, you have him at .166 here but .202 in the review. This is true for all the players, though I don’t think I need to type them all out. If you check, you will see what I’m talking about. Why is there a discrepancy?
Also, you once again seem to be crediting the Celtics transformation to, primarily, their free agent acquisitions but fail to mention that a nearly equal share of the improvement can be attributed to player health/improvement.
Using your original 06-07 numbers, Pierce/Rondo/Perkins/Powe produced 16.5 fewer wins than they did in 07-08. So that’s a +16.5 change. When you add in the reduced minutes given to Scalabrine, that total rises to +18.2.
Now when you add that to the 31.8 projected wins your 06-07 review says the C’s should have won, it seems like if the C’s hadn’t added anyone and just had their players improve/get healthy and played up to expectations they would have been around a 50 win team.
This means that the net improvement provided by KG/Allen/Posey/House is really not much more than net improvement provided by the development/health of Pierce/Perkins/Rondo/Powe and the reduced minutes of Scalabrine.
So maybe the C’s improvement shouldn’t be framed as a strict free agent strategy, since that was evidently only around half the plan (based on your original 06-07 numbers at least).
dberri // August 26, 2008 at 4:52 am
Hi Nick,
I think I noted this before (then again, maybe I didn’t). In building these tables for 2007-08 I simply plug the 2006-07 numbers into the 2007-08 spreadsheet. So the projected wins (from the 2006-07 numbers) are based on the minutes and position played in 2007-08. If there is a difference, it is probably because there was a difference in the positions I have the players playing each year.
Joe // August 26, 2008 at 6:14 am
Thanks for question and clarification. Last week that I essentially ran into the same thing when I was looking at some 06-07 and 07-08 team reviews. Never got around to asking about it.
Tball // August 26, 2008 at 6:30 am
What is the average WP48 for the 5th player on a team? 8th player? 12th player? Is there a point where Miles becomes a good signing if he produces 0.080 WP48 simply because he is signed for the minimum (for the Celtics)?
John W. Davis // August 26, 2008 at 7:02 am
I think Darius Miles is worth the risk. He might just play like his LA Clipper self because Boston is so loaded he might just be asked to rebound and block shots and connect on a timely high percentage shot like Perkins is asked to do.
Peace
John W. Davis
http://www.pistonscast.com
Mike G // August 26, 2008 at 7:16 am
What do you project for Rondo this year? He made a big gain in WP last year. Any chance he does that again, and becomes an elite PG?
He seems like the type of guy who’d realize if he could develop a reasonably consistent trey — like Billups did in his first few years — he could fuel a Celts title run, even factoring in decline of Big 2 plus Ray Allen….
Castle // August 26, 2008 at 8:16 am
The backstory here is that Danny Ainge, by playing Darius Miles 10 games, subtracts 8 figures from the Portland Trailblazers ability to go after free agents next summer.
Yes, he is that vindictive, even at Boston’s expense.
Evan // August 26, 2008 at 1:52 pm
castle, please explain. i assume this is some arcane piece of salary cap/CBA info, but I’m curious.
Anon // August 26, 2008 at 3:03 pm
because Miles hasn’t played in 2 years, portland was able to drop him and say he was retired due to injury and his salary comes off of their cap, but if he plays 10 games for any other team then it’s just like they cut him, so it’d still be on the cap.
TA // August 26, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Hopefully Miles can increase his wins produced as he will playing in a system that wont be relying on him being an offensive weapon. As John said, the Celtics are stacked offensively, and if Miles can come and play solid defense, grab some boards, and put up some high % shots while giving Pierce a rest, he could be a steal.
Castle // August 26, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Thanks Anon.
Evan ~ Anon has it exactly. There is a bit of history/drama between the Blazers and Danny Ainge.
Next summer is a huge free agent year for the NBA and the Blazers are able to make a run for just about anyone … unless someone erases some big numbers off their cap space.
Darius Miles is a spectacular talent that wasted it in more ways than I care to go into. The guy still has a 10 game suspension pending from recent behavior and he hasn’t played in 2 years!
Also, 2 independent physicians judged him to have experienced a career ending injury. Putting him back onto the court is begging to make him a cripple for life.
The trick isn’t to add an amazing player to Boston’s roster, it’s to screw the Blazers. All Danny needs to do is put him in for minimal minutes for 10 games.
Jeremy // August 27, 2008 at 3:37 pm
DBerri,
While I normally agree with everything you write here, I cannot seem to shake the image of the Lakers team QUITTING in their final game of the season, on the sports biggest stage.
This is where stats can become flawed. Bynum will give LA a nice boost, and we already know how solid Kobe, Lamar, and Gasol are.
That being said, the Celtics blew the doors off of the Lakers this year (6-2, with the 2 being closely conteseted), and the finals were hardly competetive. With Rondo ready to jump to All star status, (not to mention how he destroyed that Lakers PGs in Boston),and another year of continuity with the big three and their surrounding parts, I have a hard time thinking that losing James Posey (and LA getting Bynum back – presumably at 100%) now puts Boston behind the Lakers. Id also like to note that the Celtics have nowhere to go but up in the replacements for Cassell (awful), PJ Brown (old), and Tony Allen (healthy as opposed to coming off of knee surgery).
Until the Lakers prove that they have the mental fortitude to beat a tough, physical, war chiseled team like the celtics, they need to become much tougher MENTALLY – and your stats will never tell you anything about that. Mentally tough teams dont blow NBA finals games when they are up by 24 points, or lose a deciding game by 39.
The real question will not be whether the Celtics can replace the production of Posey, or whom they have added, it will be: Are the Lakers ready to take the next step?? Crowning them prematurely, after the sad performance they put up as finals favorites is something that you are flat out wrong about, Dave.
Not to mention the Lakers road to the finals will be extremely difficult. Certainly more so than their rivals in Boston.
- Jeremy
Nick // August 27, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Professor Berri,
So let me understand: you had all 13 eligible (i.e. non-rookie) Celtics playing different positions in 2006-2007 than in 2007-2008?
I must be misunderstanding you.
ilikeflowers // August 27, 2008 at 4:55 pm
“Crowning them prematurely, after the sad performance they put up as finals favorites is something that you are flat out wrong about”
That is a very strong statement based upon your untestable ‘evidence’ and a one-game sample set.
Also, I witnessed five competitive games in the finals.
dberri // August 27, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Nick,
No, but changing positions can cause the biggest change in WP48. I am also using the position averages from 2007-08. So that will also cause things to be a bit different.
Nick // August 27, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Oh, right. 07-08 Positional adjustment. That probably does it.
Makes sense. Thanks.
Straw Man // August 27, 2008 at 9:37 pm
It’s peculiar that in baseball, the statistical analyses and conclusions drawn from them are generally agreed upon and corroborated by the General Managers, players, and coaches. It may open their eyes to something new about a player, but they don’t generally disagree with the findings. Yet when it comes to basketball, some of the findings are in direct contradiction to some of the evaluations of General Managers, players and coaches (and I’m not just talking about scorers). This includes the winning GMs, players, and coaches, not just the “bad” ones. I would love to see a pure “Moneyball” approach (as would the stats guys, I presume) to see how well it would work for basketball. Of course, I believe the results of just using the data would be disastrous, but I’ve been wrong before. Also, the predictive value of these statistical methods have been far from established. Overall, the season predictions of Wow seem to be no better than the predictions of a Las Vegas bookie. Yes, Wow predicted the Celtics would win, but then again other stats guys using similar methods predicted the Lakers to win. There needs to be a complete record to compare the predictions to reality. I see no record of forward looking accuracy, only backwards fitting of the data.
ManchvegaBob // August 28, 2008 at 11:47 am
http://mvn.com/nba-celtics/2008/08/28/still-miles-to-go/
David – please feel free to respond on our Celtics blog site. I didn’t disagree with your statements on Miles, I just thought you fell short on carrying it forward to the reality of the situation Miles may find himself in if he does indeed make its. Also, I find the Wins Produced a biased metric by which to judge a role player on a poor to mediocre team, which was what Miles was on Cleveland and Portland.
I also like Jeremy’s assessment of Celtics chances this year
tom woods // September 4, 2008 at 2:13 pm
I think Miles off from th e bench is a very different Miles than in a starting role. It’s obvious that he didn’t deserve that contract, and with the contract came a lot of playing time and pressure. If he’s involved in a strong defensive system, like the Celtics have, I expect his numbers to improve. Miles’ body, height, reach, wingspan, is a replica of Tayshaun Prince, but now with some more heft to it. James Posey wasn’t as critical as the media has made him out to be, and the 5-man unit stats bear that out, they were a much better team with the starters on the floor, or with Powe at the PF spot than with Posey in the game. His shooting did help stretch the floor in certain situations, but the team is not entirely devoid of shooters now, PP, RA, and EH are all very good outside marksman. The addition of POB, who can do what none of the bench bigs did last year, hit a 20 foot jumper, will help them stretch the D if the need arises. Obviously, the team does have a lot of question marks this year, will Tony Allen be back to full strength, how good are Walker and Giddens, is POB a bust, or was he just mishandled, is Miles knee really injured? But if you look at last year’s team there were probably just as many questions. The team can’t jell well enough, there is no backup center, no backup point guard, the whole team was gutted to bring in Garnett, Doc Rivers can’t coach a team to a championship, Eddie House is a journey-man, Rondo is too young to run a team, Perkins is the worst starting center in the league, etc… I mean from the way people were talking last year, you would have thought the team was lottery bound again.
keving // December 6, 2008 at 8:24 pm
“Also, I witnessed five competitive games in the finals.
Were you watching the European Finals perhaps?
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