Comments on: Knowing is Only Half the Battle in Chicago http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/knowing-is-only-half-the-battle-in-chicago/ More Stories from The Wages of Wins Sat, 02 Jan 2010 08:09:16 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: The Problem With Last Year’s Bulls, New Illini Basketball Schedule, the Blind Side, United Stock Scare, and Exception to Idiots-Out-Walking-Around - Land-o-Links for 9/10/2008 « FRANK THE TANK’S SLANT http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/knowing-is-only-half-the-battle-in-chicago/#comment-58916 The Problem With Last Year’s Bulls, New Illini Basketball Schedule, the Blind Side, United Stock Scare, and Exception to Idiots-Out-Walking-Around - Land-o-Links for 9/10/2008 « FRANK THE TANK’S SLANT Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:09:13 +0000 http://dberri.wordpress.com/?p=933#comment-58916 [...] Knowing is Only Half the Battle in Chicago (Wages of Wins Journal) - The always fascinating Wages of Wins Journal takes an in-depth look at [...] [...] Knowing is Only Half the Battle in Chicago (Wages of Wins Journal) – The always fascinating Wages of Wins Journal takes an in-depth look at [...]

]]> By: richardjamesuk1981 http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/knowing-is-only-half-the-battle-in-chicago/#comment-58904 richardjamesuk1981 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:35:09 +0000 http://dberri.wordpress.com/?p=933#comment-58904 Ok being a Bulls fans since the MJ days The current team haven´t got the heart apart from Luol Deng, and now Derrick Rose, and i believe Drew Gooden is going to have a decent year, he played very well till the end of the year and unfortunately got injured.... I think he can be out horace grant which we have missed since elton brand.. Kirk Hinrich missed too many shots and in my opionion should have been traded, not Duhon got rid of. I think the Bulls maybe closer to the playoffs but they need to concentrate on defence and that is where the Bulls suffered last year which was a surprise as i believe the year before the had one of the best defence records in the NBA , so without Wallace is Noah goign to take his place? HMMMM Del Negro is a rookie coach and I don´t believe he has the skills and only his coaches around him may help this, but i think Ben Gordan will cause problems so i hope he wil traded for a decent guard, who? i am not too sure but i would like either Chauncey Billups or Michael Reed we can thorw in larry hughes with gordan and hinrich, or Dwanye Wade when he is a free agent next year Any suggestions Ok being a Bulls fans since the MJ days

The current team haven´t got the heart apart from Luol Deng, and now Derrick Rose, and i believe Drew Gooden is going to have a decent year, he played very well till the end of the year and unfortunately got injured….

I think he can be out horace grant which we have missed since elton brand..

Kirk Hinrich missed too many shots and in my opionion should have been traded, not Duhon got rid of.

I think the Bulls maybe closer to the playoffs but they need to concentrate on defence and that is where the Bulls suffered last year which was a surprise as i believe the year before the had one of the best defence records in the NBA , so without Wallace is Noah goign to take his place? HMMMM

Del Negro is a rookie coach and I don´t believe he has the skills and only his coaches around him may help this, but i think Ben Gordan will cause problems so i hope he wil traded for a decent guard, who? i am not too sure but i would like either Chauncey Billups or Michael Reed we can thorw in larry hughes with gordan and hinrich, or Dwanye Wade when he is a free agent next year

Any suggestions

]]> By: Los http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/knowing-is-only-half-the-battle-in-chicago/#comment-58767 Los Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:36:07 +0000 http://dberri.wordpress.com/?p=933#comment-58767 Kirk had a hurt back, and he was trying to play through it- which is probably why his shot was deathly flat to start the season. Kirk had a hurt back, and he was trying to play through it- which is probably why his shot was deathly flat to start the season.

]]> By: Mike G http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/knowing-is-only-half-the-battle-in-chicago/#comment-58766 Mike G Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:06:23 +0000 http://dberri.wordpress.com/?p=933#comment-58766 Aren't there 2 "what the hell happened" questions? One is why Bulls underperformed. But the other is why your model underperformed. Aren’t there 2 “what the hell happened” questions?

One is why Bulls underperformed.

But the other is why your model underperformed.

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]]> By: Owen http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/knowing-is-only-half-the-battle-in-chicago/#comment-58763 Owen Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:57:37 +0000 http://dberri.wordpress.com/?p=933#comment-58763 As the disappointed owner of Luol Deng in a fantasy league, I think its important to mention that he struggled with injuries all year. I would love to know from any Chicago fans out there what the heck happened to Hinrich. As the disappointed owner of Luol Deng in a fantasy league, I think its important to mention that he struggled with injuries all year.

I would love to know from any Chicago fans out there what the heck happened to Hinrich.

]]> By: Joe http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/knowing-is-only-half-the-battle-in-chicago/#comment-58761 Joe Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:05:23 +0000 http://dberri.wordpress.com/?p=933#comment-58761 stephanie, As Owen said, that specific topic is covered in the book. He tells several "Chicago stories." stephanie,

As Owen said, that specific topic is covered in the book. He tells several “Chicago stories.”

]]> By: Mountain http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/knowing-is-only-half-the-battle-in-chicago/#comment-58760 Mountain Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:50:40 +0000 http://dberri.wordpress.com/?p=933#comment-58760 This Bulls example can be used to assert that coaching- most significantly thru lineup and play calling decisions- and chemistry matter a lot and players don't always just deliver individual contributions that largely carryforward year to year. In 06-07 Skiles used his top 2 lineups almost 1000 minutes (close to 25% of total minutes) and only won about 40% of that time. But Skiles pushed the right buttons for which lightly used lineups to play the other 75% of time and they made that season a success. In 07-08 it was some combination of he and his replacement apparently not pushing the right lineup and play buttons and players not performing. Sorting out shares is hard but with more research on each lineup usage and performance year to year some level of handle might be possible The Bulls only used top 2 lineups only about one-third of previous year) and they weren't especially strong. Maybe the league figured out play calling patterns and defending those lineups (and exploiting them) more than Bulls figured out how to adjust to the adjustments. They had some promising performances from small minute lineups but apparently didn't chose to try to milk them. No guarantee they would continue to work at same rate in more minutes but I'd think they probably could have tried the best lineups more. Like most teams. This Bulls example can be used to assert that coaching- most significantly thru lineup and play calling decisions- and chemistry matter a lot and players don’t always just deliver individual contributions that largely carryforward year to year.

In 06-07 Skiles used his top 2 lineups almost 1000 minutes (close to 25% of total minutes) and only won about 40% of that time. But Skiles pushed the right buttons for which lightly used lineups to play the other 75% of time and they made that season a success.

In 07-08 it was some combination of he and his replacement apparently not pushing the right lineup and play buttons and players not performing. Sorting out shares is hard but with more research on each lineup usage and performance year to year some level of handle might be possible

The Bulls only used top 2 lineups only about one-third of previous year) and they weren’t especially strong.

Maybe the league figured out play calling patterns and defending those lineups (and exploiting them) more than Bulls figured out how to adjust to the adjustments.

They had some promising performances from small minute lineups but apparently didn’t chose to try to milk them. No guarantee they would continue to work at same rate in more minutes but I’d think they probably could have tried the best lineups more. Like most teams.

]]> By: Owen http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/knowing-is-only-half-the-battle-in-chicago/#comment-58759 Owen Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:42:06 +0000 http://dberri.wordpress.com/?p=933#comment-58759 Stephanie - You should buy yourself a copy of the Wages of Wins! Stephanie – You should buy yourself a copy of the Wages of Wins!

]]> By: stephanie http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/knowing-is-only-half-the-battle-in-chicago/#comment-58758 stephanie Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:03:26 +0000 http://dberri.wordpress.com/?p=933#comment-58758 I don't think anyone pegged the Bulls as declining like they did. Every account I read believed they were going to go deep into the playoffs last season. It was unfortunate they became so miserable since they appeared on national television so many times. And the East could always use more good teams. Speaking of Chicago, I'd be interested in seeing how WP explains the Bull's record in terms of crediting wins before and after the third title. In 92-93 they're 57-25 with an efficiency differential of 6.8. MJ averages 32.6 ppg / 6.7 rpg / 5.5 apg / 2.8 spg on 49.5% shooting. That's good for what, somewhere between 17-20 wins? Then he retires. In 93-94 the Bulls are 55-27 with an eff. def of 3.4. Apparently without MJ their offensive efficiency drops like a stone (2nd to 14th) but they only lose two less games. How does that work out? I'd be really interested in seeing Horace Grant's numbers throughout all of this too. I'm thinking he was a large piece of the pie. I don’t think anyone pegged the Bulls as declining like they did. Every account I read believed they were going to go deep into the playoffs last season. It was unfortunate they became so miserable since they appeared on national television so many times. And the East could always use more good teams.

Speaking of Chicago, I’d be interested in seeing how WP explains the Bull’s record in terms of crediting wins before and after the third title. In 92-93 they’re 57-25 with an efficiency differential of 6.8. MJ averages 32.6 ppg / 6.7 rpg / 5.5 apg / 2.8 spg on 49.5% shooting. That’s good for what, somewhere between 17-20 wins? Then he retires. In 93-94 the Bulls are 55-27 with an eff. def of 3.4. Apparently without MJ their offensive efficiency drops like a stone (2nd to 14th) but they only lose two less games. How does that work out? I’d be really interested in seeing Horace Grant’s numbers throughout all of this too. I’m thinking he was a large piece of the pie.

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