Today’s post is simple an assortment of items and links that I wished to briefly mention, but previously forgot to throw into a post someplace.
Football Links
The football assortment begins with the quarterback and running back rankings for Week Fourteen. The few people who follow this feature might have noticed that I skipped Week Thirteen. This is primarily due to the play of the Detroit Lions, who seem determined to sap my interest in the NFL this season. Despite this lack of interest, I was able to take a few moments today to construct the rankings for this week.
Table One: Quarterback Rankings for Week Fourteen
Table Two: Running Back Rankings for Week Fourteen
As for a story these rankings inspire… well, not sure I have much to say.
- I was going to note that Daunte Culpepper — who hasn’t played enough to be ranked – is not playing very well for the Detroit Lions. Of course, Culpepper was signed in mid-season, so we should not be surprised that a player who doesn’t know the playbook (or his teammates) would have trouble making plays. On the other hand, Chauncey Billups and Allen Iverson are pretty much the same players in their respective new homes as they were last year. And one can’t expect that either of these players knew “the playbook” after they were traded. This suggests that basketball players do not depend on their coaches and teammates as much as football players. Not sure this is much of an original story, but it’s all I could come up with this week (did I mention my interest in the NFL is fading with each Detroit loss?).
- For more football stories, let’s turn to the work of Brian Burke at Advanced NFL Stats. Brian has recently offered two wonderful stories. The first — 4th Down Trend? – looks at the tendency of NFL coaches to go for it on fourth down (and how this has changed over time). In a related post, No Man’s Land reports where on the football field coaches tend to be the most indecisive.
- Although not entirely on the subject of football, Malcolm Gladwell’s latest for the New Yorker — Most Likely to Succeed: How do we hire when we can’t tell who’s right for the job? – looks briefly at the process by which quarterbacks are selected in the NFL draft. The larger story, though, is not about football. Gladwell is actually interested in how schools select and evaluate teachers. Yes, there is a connection. And yes, you should read the article to see how Gladwell puts these two ideas together (and yes, Rob Simmons and I are briefly mentioned, although that’s not why you should read the article).
- Finally, my sister-in-law sent me the following link from MSN.com last night: Do pretty-boy quarterbacks take home bigger paychecks? This story is about research I have done (with Rob Simmons and Jennifer Van Gilder) that was previously mentioned in The New York Times Play Magazine and at Darren Rovell’s Sports Biz blog at CNBC.com.
One Baseball Link
Okay, enough football. Let’s talk baseball for a moment. A few weeks ago I came across the following from Rob Neyer (at ESPN.com): Mauer was the better choice for AL MVP
In this column was the following.
What I’m not willing to say — what I’ll probably never be willing to say — is that Joe Mauer deserved to finish behind Justin Morneau in the MVP balloting again. Two years ago, there was virtually no evidence that Morneau was more valuable than Mauer, yet Morneau finished first and Mauer finished sixth. This year, there is virtually no evidence that Morneau was more valuable than Mauer, and yet Morneau finished second and Mauer finished fourth.
Maybe that’s a sign of progress. But for as long as I’ve been doing this, I’ve been told that I don’t see enough games, that I don’t know what it really takes to win, that I don’t appreciate the little things that don’t show up in the box scores.
And for as long as I’ve been doing this, every time the MVP voters have a choice between the guy with the power stats and the guy who does the little things, they pick the guy with the big numbers.
Essentially, Neyer is noting that baseball can suffer from the same problem we observe in basketball. The most dramatic events get the most attention. One might think baseball – a sport where numbers are more likely to be examined and understood –would not suffer from this problem. But apparently, that’s not the case.
The Foremost Expert on Sports Economics and a Wikipedia Page
At the end of October, I wrote a brief comment on the following book by Steve Ross and Stefan Szymanski: Fans of the World Unite! A (Capitalist) Manifesto for the Sports Consumers.
Steve Ross recently hosted a conference at the Penn State Institute for Sports Law, Policy, and Research to discuss the general story told in this book. A video of this conference — How Sports Leagues Should be Designed for the Good of the Sport and for the Fans – is now available.
Not surprisingly, one of the speakers was Stefan Szymanski. Stefan is introduced as “the foremost expert on sports economics”. Given Stefan’s list of publications, such an argument certainly can be made. I should note, though, that despite Stefan’s stature in the sports economics community (and I have to admit my friend is probably the foremost expert), he still doesn’t have his own Wikipedia page.
And why is this important? Recently I noticed that someone took the trouble to create a David Berri page at Wikipedia.
As often happens at Wikipedia, the initial entry on the subject contains information that’s not entirely accurate. For example (and this is but one example), the entry asserts that “Berri has not engaged in any intellectual discussions with the APBRmetrics community…”.
This is an odd assertion, since one of the “principal leaders” of the APBRmetrics community is my friend Dean Oliver (and check out the APBRmetrics Wikipedia page if you doubt the assertion that Oliver is one of the “principal leaders”). As I have mentioned in the past (at least, I think I have mentioned this), Dean and I have exchanged hundreds of e-mails across the past decade. And some of these e-mails could be thought of as “intellectual discussions.” In addition, I often speak with Wayne Winston, who is the creator of the adjusted plus-minus approach. My sense is that this page was created by an APRRmetrician (is that really a word?) who hasn’t gotten my attention.
I should note that although my Wikipedia page has some issues, it’s interesting that someone went to the trouble to create a page about a somewhat obscure economist at Southern Utah University.
One Last Link
Let’s close with one last link. Kelly Kilpatrick has created a list of 100 blogs that will make you smarter. And on that list is an obscure blog called The Wages of Wins Journal. Let me note that there is no guarantee – either explicit or implicit – that reading this blog will make you smarter. It’s nice, though, to see that someone thinks it might.
- DJ
The WoW Journal Comments Policy
For more on the Wages of Wins football metrics see
Consistent Inconsistency in Football
13 responses so far ↓
don // December 10, 2008 at 7:37 am
The most egregious mistake of the baseball MVP voting, from a statistical sense, was probably Ryan Howard finishing 2nd in the NL. I’m not sure he should have been in the top 20 last year, but the voters love the HR and RBI totals.
If you like baseball stats as well and have some time to waste, http://www.fangraphs.com is a great site.
Westy // December 10, 2008 at 8:22 am
Dave,
I would suspect what is meant by that statement on the Wikipedia page is that you haven’t posted (discussed back and forth) within the online forum. Most of those others post somewhat regularly in the discussion forums. It does seem to be worded a bit negatively, though.
That you have interacted with Dean and Wayne is not in doubt (and surely they have given insightful feedback). But interaction with other statistical experts who also happen to be part of that APBRmetrics discussion community does not by association, to me at least, mean you have “engaged” in discussion with that community. That would be like saying because you’ve talked to someone who lives in Hawaii you have engaged in dialogue with Hawaii.
Just an observation.
dberri // December 10, 2008 at 8:29 am
Westy,
I have had many discussions with people in this forum. And I think this forum is on-line. I think the person who is writing this page defines interaction by whether or not I post in the APBRmetric chatroom. That seems like a fairly narrow definition of interaction.
Jeremy // December 10, 2008 at 8:30 am
The biggest problem with Neyers comments is that the guy who was picked in a landslide to be the MVP is one of those “you have to see him every day types”, not one of the big numbers guys. Basically making his arguement entirely incorrect.
If the premise was that there is a bias vs catchers who do not win the MVP because they do not put up huge stats, thats fine, but his entire point was undermined by the fact that a second baseman with only 20 homers won the MVP in a not-so-close race. To Neyers point, wouldnt Youkilis, his own teammate who puts up bigger stats have taken home the award? (instead of finishing 3rd?) – just some food for thought.
Vince Gagliano // December 10, 2008 at 10:15 am
Trivia fact of the day:
Compared to their career averages, LeBron James and Kobe Bryant would play the equivalent of approximately 12 games (for their average minutes) less this season if their playing time was extrapolated to 82 games.
Ryan // December 10, 2008 at 11:58 am
This doesn’t have anything to do with today’s post (besides the fact that I really enjoyed Gladwell’s article… and his new book).
I found a good quote from a coach who seems to get basketball is more about scoring. It’s Phil Jackson and it’s from an article by Ian Thomsen on si.com about what LA needs to do during the regular season.
Here’s Jackson talking about Pau Gasol:
“Anybody who doesn’t see the value in this player as a No. 2 scorer and a No. 2 player on this team really doesn’t understand the value he has as a player,” Jackson said in reference to Gasol. “It’s easy to underestimate, [but] he’s shooting a high percentage, his free-throw shooting is great. He passes the basketball, he does a lot of great things for us. And until we move up to that championship bracket and win it, then people will appreciate exactly what he does.”
LA fans are preoccupied with the fact that there’s only one guy considered a “scorer” on this team. I would argue that this team is actually set up for a historically good season and if they were to replace Gasol or Bynum with a Dirk Nowitzki, Ben Gordon type they would be much worse off.
Vince Gagliano // December 10, 2008 at 12:20 pm
And the irony is, in becoming the “No. 2″ guy for the Lakers, Gasol’s productivity has only increased to where, if anything, he IS their most productive player.
Vince Gagliano // December 10, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Quick thoughts on the Suns-Bobcats trade:
It’s somewhat easier to judge the initial results of this trade, since Jason Richardson and Raja Ball play somewhat similar positions, as do Jared Dudley and Boris Diaw. Here is a season-by-season comparison of adjusted field goal percentage for the first pair:
01-02 Richardson 46.3% / Bell 45.4%
02-03 Richardson 46.3% / Bell 49.1%
03-04 Richardson 46.8% / Bell 44.7%
04-05 Richardson 49.2% / Bell 49.5%
05-06 Richardson 50.9 % / Bell 56.3%
06-07 Richardson 49.2% / Bell 53.9%
07-08 Richardson 52.4% / Bell 53.8%
08-09 Richardson 50.2% / Bell 55.4%
Verdict: Both players have played with outstanding point guards that have fed them the ball very well, Richardson with Baron Davis and Bell with Steve Nash. However, Richardson has maintained good percentages even without help in Charlotte. He’s going to move to the 2 with Matt Barnes around, and he’s been slightly above average in his career at that spot. Bell, not so much. Expect Bell to suffer a Shawn Marion-like dropoff in Charlotte while Richardson gets a spike in his percentages.
Edge: Phoenix
And the second:
03-04 Dudley ??? / Diaw 45.7%
04-05 Dudley ??? / Diaw 43.7%
05-06 Dudley ??? / Diaw 53.1%
06-07 Dudley ??? / Diaw 55.1%
07-08 Dudley 48.1% / Diaw 48.7%
08-09 Dudley 48.4% / Diaw 58.5%
Verdict: Dudley’s career productivity before accounting for position is just barely better than Diaw’s, which is saying something, given that Diaw, as with Bell and Nash, has had spiked percentages from playing with Nash. I expect this gap to widen over time.
Edge: Phoenix
Sean Singletary vs. 2010 2nd-round pick:
Singletary has been below average in his first year. That’s not a judge on his future performance, but right now, it’s doubtful that they would have gained much from keeping him right now. They get a second shot with this pick.
Edge: Phoenix
Overall, I think Steve Kerr got the better of this trade, at least in the short term. Shaquille O’Neal, Nash, and Amare Stoudemire all become free agents at the end of the 2009-2010 season, so the Suns didn’t really concede a season or two to win the LeBron sweepstakes. There will likely be at least a few players in the free agency class who are interested in maximum deals, so look for a new-look, not-so-fast-paced Phoenix team in 3 seasons.
Westy // December 10, 2008 at 9:56 pm
I would note that Neyer is not alone in saying Joe Mauer is the most valuable player on the Twins, and in fact, the whole AL.
The Twins’ most notable blogger, Aaron Gleeman, makes the case for Mauer here. As noted, he led the league in WPA.
Mountain // December 11, 2008 at 2:00 am
Not sure if I am a suspect but I didn’t post the wikipedia page. There are clues to who it is if you want to pursue it.
I have interacted with Dave here some. Not sustained as much as I might wish but ultimately I respect his right to converse where and how he wishes.
Vince Gagliano // December 11, 2008 at 10:39 am
Useless stat(s) of the day:
Right now, according to my calculation of efficiency differential:
1. Through the first quarter of the NBA season, the top three teams in the NBA are the Cavs (+15.4 per 100 possessions), Lakers (+11.5), and Celtics (10.7), in that order.
2. LA has played 13 of their first 21 games in the Staples Center, so their number is likely to continue dropping as the numbers start to even out. By comparison, Cleveland has played 12 of their first 22 in the Q, and Boston 13 of 22 at the Garden.
3. In both differential and record, Denver is the closest competitor to LA for the Western Conference championship. However, the Nuggets have the worst defensive rating per 100 possessions of the quartet; Boston is tops with 96.8 per 100, Cleveland 97.9, LA 99.7, and the Nuggets 100.6. Denver also has the worst offensive efficiency in the group.
4. In the East, Orlando is the third-best team in the conference with +7.1 per 100. As with last year, they have a better winning percentage on the road than at home, and they’ve played 10 of 22 away from Amway. However, the Magic score 106.1 points per 100 possessions, a worse rating then any of the four teams previously mentioned.
Conclusion: Again, 20 or so games is not definitive, but if the postseason began today, the Lakers would NOT be the favorite to take home the trophy right now.
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Vince Gagliano // December 11, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Useless, Piston-themed, stat of the day, which Dave will love:
“The Bad Boys, errr, bad, bad, BAD boys.”
The bad news for Detroit?
1. The Pistons are 7-9 with Allen Iverson in the lineup.
2. He’s averaging a (very) pedestrian .075 WP48 whenever he wears a #1 jersey.
3. The Pistons, despite owning an 11-9 record, have a *negative* efficiency differential.
Translation: They’re going to have trouble getting to 40-45 games this year, let alone 50.
The good news?
Allen Iverson is overpaid, even more so than he was in Philadelphia or Denver. Ordinarily, this would be cause for concern, as Iverson costs more money than he produces for the team, money that could be used to spend on stars that could produce even more wins.
But that is exactly the point of why the Pistons made their trade in the first place. You see, the money that the Pistons are exorbitantly spending on Iverson is not going to contracts that are still in effect after this season or 2009-2010. As a result, it opens up even more money for Detroit’s cap space in the free agency class than it would have had it paid more money to those other contracts.
As a result, the Pistons will have the money to UNDERpay (insert name of member of 2003 draft class/2010 free agent class), a double boon in their wins production for 2010-2011.
Overall, this was pretty much what Joe Dumars expected when he made the Nuggets deal, and he’s set up nicely to sign one or two highly productive players to some lucrative contracts.
Unless he gives one of those contracts to Darko Milicic.
JC // December 13, 2008 at 6:04 am
You haven’t engaged the APBRmetrics community? You’ve had numerous discussions with more than one community “member” posing under multiple aliases. You’ve entertained these underhanded shenanigans, yet you are accused of wrongdoing. Simply unbelievable.