On November 2nd of 2008, the Pistons — the team I root for — were 2-0 and coming off a season when the team had won 59 games. The next day, though, the Pistons decline began. Chauncey Billups, Antonio McDyess, and Cheikh Samb were sent to the Denver Nuggets for Allen Iverson. At the time, Joe Dumars – the president of basketball operations for the Pistons – was quite optimistic: “We just felt it was the right time to change our team. Iverson gives us a dimension that we haven’t had here and we really think it’s going to help us.”
Before the 2008-09 season ended, though, Iverson had stopped playing for the Pistons (apparently unhappy with the idea of coming off the bench). And when the season concluded, the Pistons had only won 39 games.
Iverson came off the books, though, and the salary cap space gave fans of this team optimism. Unfortunately, Dumars took that space and spent it on Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva. With Gordon and Villanueva on board, the Pistons only won 27 games last year. And this year hasn’t been much better.
The Iverson, Gordon, and Villanueva decisions have been discussed in this forum in the past. What hasn’t been discussed (at least, I don’t think this has been talked about before) was another decision made in the same week Iverson was added to the roster. On November 4th of 2008, the Pistons agreed to a three-year extension with Richard Hamilton. At the time, Hamilton still had two years remaining on a seven year deal he had signed in 2003. So the $34 million extension didn’t start until the 2010-11 season.
The 2010-11 season, though, hasn’t gone well for the highest paid person on the Pistons roster. On January 10th, Hamilton came off the bench and missed all five field goals he attempted in a loss to the Chicago Bulls. Since this performance, the Pistons have played five games and Hamilton – like Iverson at the end of his brief time in Detroit — has yet to leave the bench.
At the time Hamilton was first benched there was some thought that he was about to be traded. But now that the Carmelo Anthony trade that involved the Nuggets, Nets, and Pistons is reportedly dead, it doesn’t appear that Hamilton is going anywhere soon. And this means the Pistons highest paid player (have I mentioned this fact already?) is getting paid a great deal of money to watch his teammates play basketball.
Here is how Rob Otto summarized this situation at MLive.com:
With the potential trade dead, now the team has lost the built-in excuse for benching Hamilton. Now if he remains out of action, they are going to have to admit the real reason why: because the Pistons are a better team without Rip Hamilton.
So what does the team do with him now? It was a gift that the Nets were willing to take that horrible contract off of Detroit’s books. I do not expect any other team to be willing to do that, although seeking that trade is exactly what Dumars has to try to do. Good luck with that.
Are the Pistons really better off without Hamilton? The numbers seem to agree with this assessment. After 42 games the Pistons have won 15 times. The team’s efficiency differential (offensive efficiency minus defensive efficiency) is -4.5; a mark consistent with a team that can win about 30 games across an entire season. When we move from efficiency differential to the team’s Wins Produced – reported below – we see that Hamilton has posted a WP48 [Wins Produced per 48 minutes] of 0.025. And since Hamilton has played 878 minutes, his Wins Produced this far is 0.45. If Hamilton played as much in the second half of the season, he would still produce less than one win in 2010-11.
The team’s other options at shooting guard – Tracy McGrady (0.205 WP48 as a shooting guard), Ben Gordon (0.046 WP48 as a shooting guard), and even Rodney Stuckey (0.127 WP48 if he played shooting guard) are all more productive than Hamilton. Will Bynum does offer an ADJ P48 [per 48 minute performance before we adjust for position played] below Hamilton’s mark. But it does appear that Hamilton’s production this year doesn’t warrant him getting many minutes over most of the other options the team has at guard.
Again, though, Hamilton is in the first year of his three-year extension. And according to player salary information at HoopsHype.com, Hamilton, Gordon, and Villanueva are currently part of the Pistons’ future. In fact, each is due to collect more than $33 million for the 2012-13 season. This trio – if they repeated in the second half of this season the per-minute performance and minutes played observed in the first half of 2010-11 – would only produce 4.5 wins this season. So that is not very helpful. And at their age, it seems unlikely the Pistons are going to get more in the future. When the 2012-13 season starts, Hamilton will be 34 years old while Villanueva and Gordon will be 28 and 29 years of age respectively. In other words, each player will have passed their peak; a peak that wasn’t really that impressive in the first place.
The shortcomings of Gordon and Villanueva have been discussed previously. Let’s focus now on why Richard Hamilton isn’t that helpful.
These numbers indicate that Hamilton is above average with respect to getting assists, getting to the free throw line, hitting free throw shots, and taking field goal attempts. He is generally below average with respect to shooting efficiency from the field. But because he takes a large number of field goal attempts, Hamilton is an above average scorer. And therefore – given how scoring totals drive wages in the NBA – we should not be surprised that Hamilton will be paid more than $100 million in his NBA career.
When we move past scoring, though, we see that getting shots from the field to actually go in the basket is not the only issue for Hamilton. Relative to other shooting guards, Hamilton is also below average with respect to rebounds, steals, blocked shots, turnovers, and personal fouls. Given all these deficiencies, it is not surprising that Hamilton has generally posted a below average Win Score [and correspondingly, a below average WP48]. And during his nine seasons in Detroit, he has only produced about 30 wins.
Despite this production, though, Hamilton was still signed to a three-year extension that is supposed to pay him more than $12 million when he is 34 years of age. And that means, the Iverson trade was not the only bad decision Dumars made during the first week of the 2008-09 season. As Rob Otto notes, though, fixing this bad decision is going to be difficult.
Although the big decisions haven’t worked out so well for the Pistons, I think there is some hope for this team. Greg Monroe – the team’s lottery pick – has been almost average for an NBA center (and slightly above average if he is a power forward). So that is very good for a rookie. And Tracy McGrady is playing well (for just $1.3 million).
And that means… well, not much.
McGrady is 31 years old and even if he re-signed with the Pistons, he is still 31 years old. Plus, Tayshaun Prince – who leads the Pistons in Wins Produced this year – is also a free agent (and 30 years of age). Ben Wallace – who is third in Wins Produced [and about equal to McGrady in WP48] is under contract for next year. But Big Ben is now 78 years old (okay, just 36).
So the Pistons leaders in Wins Produced are old. The team has guaranteed money to players who don’t produce. But we do have one rookie who is above average.
Okay, I guess I don’t have that much hope for this team. And no, a three-game winning streak doesn’t give me that much optimism. As Dean Oliver noted in Basketball on Paper, there is a 90% chance that a team with a 0.300 winning percentage (a bit worse than the Pistons current mark) will win three in a row at some point in an NBA season. So fans of this team shouldn’t think that benching Rip Hamilton suddenly solves all the problems with the Pistons.
– DJ
bagsflyfree
January 21, 2011
Am i supposed to believe that some of these guys are professional general managers of basketball teams? an absolute joke. I refuse to accept that morons like Dumars got a GM job because they are qualified for it, more like because of affirmative action or/and their past basketball careers as players.
brgulker
January 21, 2011
Looks like we’re on similar wavelengths today, Dr. Berri!
I’ve got a slightly more optimistic projection for the Pistons up right now, but it assumes the absolute best about the rotation moving forward, and, well, there are lots of “ifs” involved in my assumptions.
The biggest problem, I think, is what you’re getting at in terms of who’s guaranteed large sums of money and who isn’t. As it stands now, TMac, Prince, Stuckey, and Jerebko will all be free agents this summer, and we won’t be able to afford to retain all of them. So regardless of what we do or don’t do with Rip via trade, we’re going to be losing at least one productive piece of our rotation, and of course, Ben Wallace can’t play forever.
In the short term, if the current rotation continues to play as it’s currently playing, we might be able to threaten a win total above 30 and maybe sneak into the Playoffs. Which is downright silly. Losing teams shouldn’t make the Playoffs, but that’s an entirely different conversation.
In the long term, though, we appear to be locked into a rotation that will wind up in the lottery for the next several years, with very little flexibility to make changes.
Tommy_Grand
January 21, 2011
C’mon
Ben Gordon + Charlie Villanueva + Hamilton is 3/5 of a great lineup! All the Pistons need is to draft Kemba Walker and work a blockbuster trade for Jesus Shuttlesworth.
Nerd Numbers
January 21, 2011
Malcolm Gladwell and Dan Ariely (I think) have talked about this issue. In general people (not just NBA management) are bad at understanding a difference in skill sets for people. When we judge a person we use what we know about them even if it doesn’t apply to the relevant task. We’ve definitely seen this in basketball, Michael Jordan was really good at playing so he MUST be good at scouting, management etc. This is flawed as the skill set required for each are not the same. Also Basketball does definitely have some nepotism to it. Both of these are problems as we can see in some franchises. Of course it’s fun to point and laugh until it’s your home team.
arturogalletti
January 21, 2011
DJ,
Good piece. I’m actually still mad the Celts didn’t sign McGrady.
Dumars has not made a good move since 2004 (Rasheed). He got very,very,very lucky with Wallace (a throw in to the Grant Hill sign and trade) and thus was his reputation made. There’s no compelling evidence that he has any skill at player selection or building a roster (and seven years of evidence of just the opposite).
arturogalletti
January 21, 2011
Actually this is appropiate:
arturogalletti
January 21, 2011
Sorry for the multi comment (twitchy finger)
marc
January 22, 2011
Off topic: Is Paul Pierce silently playing a great season ?
fricktho
January 22, 2011
I’m impressed Dr. Berri can write a objective article about his favorite team, refraining from throwing out expletives left and right. This thing is a disaster and the Pistons are the perfect example of how scoring gets you paid in the NBA.
Gordon, CV, Rip, Bynum, and Maxiell make a combined $39 million and are projected to produce a whopping 1.8 wins combined. The issue here – all of those guys are under contract through the 2012-13 season.
Wallace, Mcgrady, Stuckey, Wilcox, Prince, and Monroe make a combined $23 million and are projected to produce 28.5 wins combined. The issue here – only Monroe and Wallace are under contract next season.
And that doesn’t include Jerebko who produced 5.8 wins last season – also not under contract for next season.
The pay per wins produced on the Pistons has to be the most skewed of any NBA team. $39 million is going to waste. If they would have invested that more wisely who knows where they would be today.
brgulker
January 22, 2011
Arturo,
I think you’re overstating your case.
Dumars has made some good moves since 2004. He did a good job of adding players like McDyess and Webber. He’s also found value on the cheap in guys like Wallace and McGrady. He’s also done a very respectable job of finding useful talent in the late first round and second round of the draft, guys like Delfino, Amir Johnson, Rodney Stuckey, Aaron Afflolo (you’re welcome, Dre), Jonas Jerebko, and surprisingly Monroe. Whether or not those guys were utilized and valued properly after they were drafted is a bit of another story.
These successes, however, are almost completely overshadowed by Joe’s huge, expensive blunders, which is what I think you’re focused on — Darko, Billups for AI, BG, Charlie V, Rip’s extension.
This is partially illustrated by Fricktho’s comment above — we do have some useful players on the roster, and all of them are relatively cheap right now. The main problems is they’re either old or on short-term deals. So Joe has added the non-scoring win producers, but as peripheral pieces, not as part of the foundation.
I’m of the opinion Dumars needs to be replaced, and believe me, I’e mumbled my fair share of inappropriate comments about the guy of late. However, it’s not accurate to say he doesn’t recognize productive players (especially productive non-scorers); that’s an overstatement. I think it’s more accurate to say he doesn’t fully understand the value of those guys relative to unproductive scorers. Sort of a cart before horse situation, I suppose.
Italian Stallion
January 22, 2011
I think Dumars basically made the same mistake Isiah made.
Every team needs scorers, but it also needs rebounders, play makers, defenders, shot blockers etc… If you keep adding players whose value is primarily accrued from scoring, you are pretty much maximizing diminishing returns and leaving gaping holes elsewhere. When it comes to scoring, 1 +1 does not equal 2 because the number of possessions stays the same.
dberri
January 22, 2011
I was going to say something similar to IS in the post. Specifically, I was going to argue that Dumars is on a quest to prove that Isiah Thomas was right with what he did with the Knicks.
Italian Stallion
January 22, 2011
You see DB. I’m opinionated, often wrong but rarely in doubt, a sometimes pain the butt, but I do learn. :-)
JJ
January 22, 2011
On the plus side, the Nets were almost willing to scrap their franchise to save the Pistons and Nuggets, and with a bunch of awful expensive players, it seems like a guarantee that some GM will get jealous and want Hamilton.
Philip
January 23, 2011
Hey guys,
i am sorry to hijack this post, but i REALLY need just a quick help!
For my Bachelor’s Thesis I need the WP and more importantly the WP48 for a few players for the 2009/10 season!
i CANNOT find them in the database and for some reason i cannot use the tool of andres alvarez. it just doesnt work for me.
can someone PLEASE provide me with the WP48 (and WP) for:
Antony Morrow
Brian Cook
Early Boykins
Dominic McGuire
That would be all!
PLEASE help me out, i really need those few data sets!
THANKS!
Michael
January 23, 2011
According to the automated wins produced suite:
Antony Morrow WP48 0.98 WP 4.1
Brian Cook WP48 -0.389 WP -0.4
Early Boykins WP48 0.010 WP 0.2
Dominic McGuire WP48 -0.033 WP -0.2
Philip (who regularly posts here)
January 23, 2011
Philip,
You can get all the numbers from Andre Alvarez’s website, here: http://nerdnumbers.com/automated-wins-produced
Also, if you’re going to continue posting, could you adopt a different moniker than “Philip”? I’ve been posting here for a while now using it. Many thanks.