Henry Abbott – at TrueHoop – had a nice column Tuesday on the “Punitive Coach”. The story focused on a specific high school coach and the tactics she used to elicit better performances from her players. For anyone who has watched sports, the tactics are not surprising. Yelling and punishments are often used in response to poor performances. But is this approach effective?
Kahneman on Coaching
An answer to this question can be found in a classic story from behavioral economics. Daniel Kahneman – who won the Nobel Prize in Economics in 2002 (for his work with respect to behavioral economics) – tells the following story in his autobiography:
I had the most satisfying Eureka experience of my career while attempting to teach flight instructors that praise is more effective than punishment for promoting skill-learning. When I had finished my enthusiastic speech, one of the most seasoned instructors in the audience raised his hand and made his own short speech, which began by conceding that positive reinforcement might be good for the birds, but went on to deny that it was optimal for flight cadets. He said, “On many occasions I have praised flight cadets for clean execution of some aerobatic maneuver, and in general when they try it again, they do worse. On the other hand, I have often screamed at cadets for bad execution, and in general they do better the next time. So please don’t tell us that reinforcement works and punishment does not, because the opposite is the case.” This was a joyous moment, in which I understood an important truth about the world: because we tend to reward others when they do well and punish them when they do badly, and because there is regression to the mean, it is part of the human condition that we are statistically punished for rewarding others and rewarded for punishing them. I immediately arranged a demonstration in which each participant tossed two coins at a target behind his back, without any feedback. We measured the distances from the target and could see that those who had done best the first time had mostly deteriorated on their second try, and vice versa. But I knew that this demonstration would not undo the effects of lifelong exposure to a perverse contingency.
There are two lessons to learn from Kahneman’s story.
Yelling at people who make mistakes is not likely to be an effective reaction. Improvement observed after yelling is probably just regression to the mean. Furthermore, yelling – as Henry notes – likely imposes additional costs on the player. One also suspects that at some point, players just learn how to tune out the yelling (something I have asked student-athletes about in the past).
Slow Learning
Kahneman doesn’t just explain why yelling doesn’t work, he also expresses doubt that teaching the coaches not to do this is a futile task. Coaches have learned how to coach from other coaches. And this behavior is part of the coaches’ training. Undoing what people “know” is extraordinarily difficult.
The difficulty people have with new information is another key finding from behavioral economics. Contrary to the story told in standard neoclassical economics, behavioral economics teaches that people tend to be slow to adopt new information.
Simple cost-benefit analysis can explain the problem. When people are presented with information that contradicts what they “know” they are faced with a choice:
- Accept that what they “knew” in the past was incorrect. This choice then imposes a cost as the person must now learn the new information (and learning requires thinking, and thinking isn’t free).
- Reject the new information. This choice reduces the cost of learning to zero.
Given these choices, people tend to choose to reject the new information. Consequently, learning is difficult.
It is not that people can’t learn. It is simply that choosing not to learn keeps costs very low. Of course, as the cost of not learning gets to be higher, people tend to be more likely to look at new information. But often the cost of not learning is low. Therefore people are comfortable believing the same thing today that they believed yesterday.
Why We Disagree
As I wrote this post it occurred to me that this story about learning can be easy to misinterpret. We often confront people who have different beliefs. And since we “know” what we believe is correct, and we often can’t get people to change their beliefs, we can easily see that the story told about slow learning is true. At least, it is easy to think that people are not listening to you because they are “slow”,
Well, maybe not. Yes, people are slow to learn. But that is not the only reason people disagree. Here are some other explanations for why people disagree.
- Sometimes people have thought about what you are saying (i.e. they suffered the cost of listening to you) and have decided you are incorrect. This can happen because people can interpret information differently. This can reflect differences in values or differences in what they think is “important”. For example, two people can look at the same estimated effect and disagree on whether the effect is “big” or “small”. And of course, people can also think you are incorrect because you really are incorrect.
- Sometimes people lack information necessary to understand what you are saying. In other words, understanding your argument requires some education and the person arguing with you is not as educated as you would like. This problem is especially common when one is trying to explain the results of statistical analysis. Most people have little or no training in statistical analysis. And even those who think they “know” statistics don’t always “know” as much as they could (there are a number of “bad” studies that can be used to illustrate this point).
So which is it? If we could answer that question, we probably could all agree on everything (or at least reduced the number of disagreements). Certainly people tend to prefer to think that when others disagree that the problem is “slow learning” or lack of education. On the other hand, sometimes maybe what you are saying isn’t correct.
Since we don’t “know” why disagreements persist, the best course of action is to simply lay forth your argument. If people agree, that’s great. If not, listen to what they say. If after listening you don’t agree…. well, then move on. We don’t have to agree on everything. At least, I think that’s what I “know”.
– DJ
Xavier Q
February 17, 2011
Between this post, and the one concerning talent evaluatin in Toronto, I’d swear these are roundabout analyses of my Indiana Pacers. Lord, could Jim O’Brien yell.
Italian Stallion
February 17, 2011
Great article. I never even considered mean reversion as part of this.
I’d like to add one possible insight.
I think sometimes we teach based on what we know works on ourselves.
When I am trying to learn something new about a subject I am very interested in, nothing gets me more motivated than some success and positive reinforcement from a teacher. I get more and more focused and my energy level rises.
On the flip side, if someone is trying to teach me something I’m not particularly interested in (which covers 95% of my entire formal education lol), the negative approach will work much better on me. If I have no desire to learn the subject, then there has to be a punishment for my failure or I just don’t care. A reward for success just doesn’t get my passions flowing.
I’m sure not all people are like me. However, since I am most familiar with how my own learning works, I might try to use the same methods to teach others that may or may not respond the same way.
Sam Cohen
February 17, 2011
Completely off-topic, so I apologize. I was just reading Bill Simmons’ trade value column, and I saw this little blurb:
“Quick Manu tangent: If San Antonio wins 68-70 games and captures the title, he’d become the single toughest active player to assess from a historical standpoint. Phenomenal big-game player, one of the best international players ever, a key member of multiple title teams … yet he was never one of the league’s best five guards at any point in his career. Is he a potential Hall of Famer? Does he need one more title to get there? Is it fair to compare him to unsung guards like Joe Dumars and Dennis Johnson, when their best years were much better than Manu’s best years? Or do we just cop out and say he’s the best Euro/South American guard ever, then be done with it? To be continued.” http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/two/110217
I’m guessing that Manu was actually in the top 5 for guards a few different times when measured by Wins Produced (although possibly his total wins, as opposed to WP48, were a little low because of his lower total minutes). Would any of the spreadsheet savants be willing to explore this question for us?
Alien Human Hybrid
February 17, 2011
Great post. This should be required reading for everyone who comes to the site.
Devin
February 17, 2011
Required reading you say? Sounds good.
[adds post to required reading list]
Dave, this is really good. I have a degree in Education and another in Human Kinetics, so I’ve run into this sort of thing during my teacher training and coaching studies. I’ve also run into this issue during my years playing, coaching, and refereeing sports.
What I always notice in sports is that as the level of competition rises, the likelihood that a coach is a screaming hard-ass increases. For some reason, these more “professional” coaches seem to think that negative emotions are better at motivating a team or getting a team to listen. All my experience tells me that remaining calm and refraining from yelling at players is more effective. Strangely enough, teachers’ colleges also share this viewpoint. There shouldn’t be such a difference; coaching and teaching are very similar.
Players definitely tune out screamers. When I coach, I very rarely yell anything out to players who are on the field – only when players are looking to me for direction. Instead, when something interesting happens, I turn to my bench and have a discussion with them, and I find this approach works a lot better.
arturogalletti
February 17, 2011
Sam,
Read that Simmons piece too. He had Bargs as near miss to the Top 50 trade value (HA i say. HA!)
This might help:
http://arturogalletti.wordpress.com/2011/02/07/fanservice-the-100-greatest-players-of-the-wins-produced-era-poster-version/
Manu is 95th thru last season (that’ll go up this year).
dm
February 17, 2011
“we don’t have to agree in everything”
I disagree.
Sam Cohen
February 17, 2011
Arturo- very cool graph. I also realized that I could look at the end of season Top 15 lists (and the equivalent) that Professor Berri has put together for some of the previous years. I found his lists of the top players for 2006-07, 2007-08, and 2008-09. If you look at the WP48 of the guards (PGs & SGs) that played the most minutes those years, it looks like Manu is top five in all three years (although not in total wins produced because of his more limited minutes). And he was _the_ top shooting guard when evaluated in this way in 2006-07 and 2007-08 (but he was inched out in WP48 by Wade in 2008-09).
Michael
February 18, 2011
Professor Berri, in your opinion which is the best introductory text book in statistical analysis?
What books do you assign to your first year undergraduates?
Thanks in advance.
Italian Stallion
February 18, 2011
“Accept that what they “knew” in the past was incorrect. This choice then imposes a cost as the person must now learn the new information (and learning requires thinking, and thinking isn’t free).”
There is also an emotional/ego related cost to this. Many people are very resistant to admitting they are wrong.
Tommy_Grand
February 18, 2011
Professor, this is a terrific post.
Jeremy Britton
February 19, 2011
Absolutely fascinating topic–I love Kahneman’s work. It would be amazing to apply this to your study of coaches to see if there is a measurable impact from motivational approach. Mr. Zen Phil Jackson topped your list of most productive coaches. Would he also top the lists of “least punitive” and “most intrinsically motivational”?
@Itallion Stallion, fantastic how you put that description of your own self-observation. I think I’ve been slowly arriving at similar conclusions, but it’s taken years of reading and self-reflection that validate the “slow learner” hypothesis.
If you haven’t seen this already, you might really appreciate Daniel Pink’s talk on the science of motivation and why ‘rewards’ don’t work:
Pink breaks down three types of motivation others like Kahneman have too:
1. Autonomy — the urge to direct our own lives.
2. Mastery — the desire to get better at something that matters.
3. Purpose — the yearning to do what we do in the service of something larger than ourselves.
The key is that these ‘carrots’ work on intrinsic or internal motivation, whereas the ‘stick’ is pure extrinsic or external motivation. The first creates sparks and provides a path for independent growth. The second works largely by exhaustive repetition by the external motivator.
Philip
February 20, 2011
Great stuff. I believe a lot of this is largely tangential to the NBA, though. Money and minutes matter a lot more than any verbal feedback.
Adam C. Madison
February 20, 2011
Great post!
Now if you could get 50% of them to be like this…
One other thing you should’ve mentioned:
Less is more.
Westy
February 21, 2011
Good post.