Below is another post from Shut Up and Jam, a new blog in the Wages of Wins Network from James Brocato.
The NBA Draft is coming up, and experts are projecting it to be a big year for drafting foreign players. In fact, 4-5 foreign players are projected to go in the lottery. But, doesn’t it seem like foreigners are usually flops? Think Darko Milicic or Andrea Bargnani. On the other hand, players like Pau Gasol and Dirk Nowitzki, though they are rare, have been perennial stars in the league. Still, it seems like there is more risk in drafting a foreign player than a college player. This observation can be at least somewhat contributed to the difference in foreign style of play and the lack of familiarity of scouts with the foreign leagues compared to American college basketball, which is largely due to the fact that there are a number of different leagues across the world form which NBA teams choose players. So I thought I’d raise the question: is it worth it to take a foreign player in the lottery? The following is a table showing the success of foreign players (who didn’t play at an American college) drafted in the lottery in the last 10 years:
Year | Player | Drafted | Career Minutes | Career Wins Produced | Career WP48 |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
2001 | Pau Gasol | 3 | 26258 | 118.4 | 0.217 |
2001 | Vladimir Radmanovic | 12 | 15265 | 1.1 | 0.003 |
2002 | Yao Ming | 1 | 15815 | 73.2 | 0.222 |
2002 | Nikoloz Tskitishvili | 5 | 1945 | -6.8 | -0.167 |
2002 | Nene Hilario | 7 | 15621 | 46.1 | 0.142 |
2003 | Darko Milicic | 2 | 8161 | -1.4 | -0.008 |
2003 | Mikael Pietrus | 11 | 10645 | 7.4 | 0.033 |
2004 | Andris Biedrins | 11 | 9863 | 47.3 | 0.230 |
2005 | Fran Vazquez | 11 | 0 | 0.0 | 0.000 |
2005 | Yaroslav Korolev | 12 | 169 | -0.5 | -0.137 |
2006 | Andrea Bargnani | 1 | 11095 | -15.0 | -0.065 |
2006 | Mouhamed Sene | 10 | 260 | -0.1 | -0.011 |
2007 | Yi Jianlian | 6 | 5835 | -3.5 | -0.029 |
2008 | Danilo Gallinari | 6 | 5263 | 5.5 | 0.050 |
Averages | 9014 | 19.4 | 0.103 |
Though this is a relatively small sample size, what immediately jumps out is the lack of players around the average mark. While together the data comes out right about average, only two players, Nene and Gallinari, come within .050 of the mark of an average player, which is 0.100. Perhaps more alarming is the number of foreign lottery picks who have actually cost their teams wins over the years. 6 out of the 14 foreign lottery picks in the last 10 years, which is about 43%, have produced in the negative range. But is this out of the ordinary? Consider the averages of all lottery picks from 2001 to 2005. These players have on average produced at a rate of 0.131 Wins Produced per 48 minutes over their collective careers. And only about 16% of those players have produced in the negative range. About half of the lottery picks over the five year period have been above average for their careers, while only one third of the foreign lottery picks have. But is the possibility of the reward worth the risk? About 20% of the foreign players have produced at star level (0.200) over their careers, while 16% of all the lottery picks have hit this mark. So it doesn’t seem like it is worth it to pick a foreign player high without a great deal of confidence in the pick. The probability of drafting a flop is just too high.
It should be noted that these numbers are not entirely conclusive. The sample size of foreign players picked in the lottery is very small. Perhaps more importantly, every player is unique. It might be unfair to lump all foreign players into a category together because each is a different player. Still, the results are interesting. To cap this post off, here are the Win Scores of the foreign players in DraftExpress’s top 100 prospects for the 2011 draft (7.1 is average):
DX Rank | Player | Age | Position | Height | Weight | Team | PAWS40 |
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4 | Jonas Valanciunas | 19 | C | 6’11” | 240 | Lietuvos Rytus | 12.6 |
6 | Jan Vesely | 21 | SF/PF | 6’11” | 240 | KK Partizan Belgrade | 8.2 |
7 | Bismack Biyombo | 18 | PF/C | 6’9″ | 240 | Baloncesto Fuenlabrada | 8.8 |
8 | Enes Kanter | 19 | C | 6’11” | 260 | Kentucky | 1.4 |
9 | Donatas Motiejunas | 20 | PF/C | 7’0″ | 215 | Benetton Treviso | 6.6 |
18 | Nikola Mirotic | 20 | PF | 6’10” | 210 | Real Madrid | 9.5 |
22 | Lucas Nogueria | 18 | C | 7’0″ | 225 | MMT Estudiantes | N/A |
28 | Davis Bertans | 18 | SF | 6’10” | 210 | Union Olimpiga Ljubljana | 7.2 |
33 | Bojan Bogdanovic | 22 | SG/SF | 6’7″ | 216 | Cibona VIP Zagreb | 5.9 |
51 | Jeremy Tyler | 19 | PF/C | 6’11” | 260 | Tokyo Apache | 7.8 |
59 | Michael Dunigan | 21 | C | 6’10” | 240 | BC Kalev/Cramo Tallinn | 7.2 |
62 | Xavi Rabaseda | 22 | SG/SF | 6’7″ | 205 | Baloncesto Fuenlabrada | 4.2 |
63 | Giorgi Shermadini | 22 | C | 7’1″ | 248 | Union Olimpiga Ljubljana | 8.3 |
67 | Jamine Peterson | 22 | SF/PF | 6’6″ | 230 | New Mexico Thunderbirds | 7.3 |
69 | Joffrey Lauvergne | 19 | SF/PF | 6’10” | 220 | ES Chalon-Sur-Saone | 6.5 |
70 | Leon Radosevic | 21 | PF/C | 6’10” | 210 | Cibona VIP Zagreb | 6.8 |
71 | Furkan Aldemir | 19 | PF | 6’9″ | 220 | Pinar Karsiyaka | 10 |
79 | Milan Macvan | 21 | PF | 6’9″ | 265 | KK Hemofarm | 10.8 |
80 | Nihad Djedovic | 21 | SG/SF | 6’6″ | 195 | Lottomatica Roma | 7.8 |
81 | Antonie Diot | 22 | PG | 6’4″ | 188 | Le Mans Sarthe Basket | 8.2 |
It looks like whoever takes Enes Kanter, who is projected to go top 5 in a lot of mock drafts, will be very disappointed. Oh, and Ricky Rubio, who it looks like will finally make his debut for the Timberwolves after being drafted a few years ago, posted a Win Score in 2010-11 of about 7.7.
Beware of these numbers because many of these players played in different leagues against different competition.
-James
brgulker
June 5, 2011
Excellent post, thanks!
Kevin
June 5, 2011
Some more off the top of my head: Nick Batum, Luis Scola, Rudy Fernandez, that Rubio kid the T’Wolves drafted who can’t shoot to save his life, Tiago Splitter, Marc Gasol was a steal of a second round draft pick, Serge Ibaka is also now a game changer for the Thunder (and he replaced the awful Jeff Green, an American lottery dud), Lior Eliyahu (I remember him because my team the Rockets gave him a chance), and, was his name Sun Yue? I’m not saying I know the answer, I’m just saying there are an awful lot of players to consider these days…
wiLQ
June 5, 2011
“So it doesn’t seem like it is worth it to pick a foreign player high without a great deal of confidence in the pick.”
I’m pretty sure all those players were drafted with a confidence ;-)
What’s more, most of them were drafted after 6th pick.
What’s the expected value for college players drafted between 6 and 12?
Maybe that’s a part of the draft where swinging for the fences with unknown guys is easier to justify.
MikeMother
June 5, 2011
Maybe there is another trend?
1. Players who fit the NBA mold (height, weight, athleticism, skillset) for their projected position seem to succeed – Yao, Gasol, Nene, Andris Biedrins all fit the physical, athletic and skillset mold of a US big.
2. Players who aren’t NBA built tend to do poorly – Vladimir Radmanovic (unathletic for a 3), Yaroslav Korolev (too light for 4) and Andrea Bargnani (can’t board, soft) all lacked something.
3. Be careful of over estimating tall, soft shooters – Vladimir Radmanovic and Andrea Bargnani both shoot really well and are tall. Yi Jianlian fits that model as well. This is probably true of any draft pick, really.
4. Be careful of players who have never produced in actual games – Darko, Sene.
This bodes well for Biyombo, who has requisite height, weight, body type, and wingspan, plays like a true big (not a small forward masquerading as a 5) and played well in the ACB, admittedly in a limited sample size.
These conclusions may not be perfect, and the sample drawn from is small, but it seems to fit.
Philip
June 5, 2011
Wouldn’t most teams rather take a chance on a possible very productive player, rather than be guaranteed an average one?
It’s tough to find .200+ players, but there are plenty of average players available on the cheap. If you’ve got a 25% chance to get a .200 player in the lottery – especially (as WilQ points out) at the end of the lottery if surefire picks like Griffin aren’t available.
James
June 6, 2011
wiLQ,
I looked at the numbers in the same sample of college players drafted 6-12. 14% were negative, 45% were above average, and 10% above .200. So a number of conclusions could probably be made from these numbers.
MikeMother,
Good observations. It will be interesting to see whether they hold true in future.
Tommy_Grand
June 6, 2011
Good article. I’d suggest NBA teams use this as a tiebreaker, opting in favor of U.S. college players when considering drafting a foreign or a domestic player who appear otherwise indinstinguishable. But when the foreign player’s performance & attributes = superior, take the risk.
Daniel
June 10, 2011
The data on Enes Kanter is isn’t useful– it’s from about 35 minutes total, played across 4 games when he was 16 years old.
It’s just silly to draw any conclusion on a sample size like this– especially one that has so little correlation to his current status as a player, let alone say that “It looks like whoever takes Enes Kanter, who is projected to go top 5 in a lot of mock drafts, will be very disappointed.”
Rob OMalley
June 13, 2011
Yeah, I agree with Daniel. I’m more sold on Kanter than anyone else in this draft outside of Kyrie Irving. Kanter will be at least average. I think he could have Nene like production.