Wages of Wins Podcast: Ultimate and Underrated Drafts

Posted on June 27, 2011 by

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This weekend several of the fine analysts at the Wages of Wins Network had a fun Ultimate Fantasy Draft (Editor’s note: Which, of course, Arturo won :-) ).

Rather than keep things simple, we broke things into three different drafts. In draft one — which we reviewed on Saturday — each player had to pick their ideal draft busts. In our next two drafts we got serious. Draft two consisted of two rounds to pick the best underrated draft picks of all time. Here the criteria was to find players not selected in the lottery that went on to be great. Draft three consisted of four rounds (extended from two by Arturo so we could all have a complete starting line up with a sixth man) picking the best players of all time. It was a ton of fun and here’s a brief run down.

The Podcast

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The Participants

Draft 2: The Underrated Draft

In this draft each player had to select the best player available that wasn’t originally drafted in the lottery. Devin won the “coin toss” and picked 1st and 8th, Ben selected 2nd and 7th, Arturo selected 3rd and 6th and Dre selected 4th and 5th.

Picker

Pick Player NBA Pick NBA Year
Devin 1 Dennis Rodman 27 1986
Ben 2 Manu Ginobili 57 1999
Arturo 3 Rajon Rondo 21 2006
Andres 4 Ben Wallace Undrafted  1996
Andres 5 John Stockton 16 1984
Arturo 6 Arvydas Sabonis 24 1986
Ben 7 Clyde Drexler 14 1983
Devin 8 Bill Laimbeer 65 1979

 Table 1: Underrated Draft Round picks.

A great crop of players picked lower than their careers would deem fit. Dre lucked into Ben Wallace.   As it turns out he was forgotten on several other lists due to the fact he went undrafted! Arturo drafted Sabonis, and explained that in the modern age he’d get even more years of greatness from him. Devin decided to pick up two Bad Boy Pistons and Ben picked a duo that can be described as “They’re much better than Kobe”.

 Draft 3: The Main Event

The final round let each player select any player not picked in the underrated round. It is important to remember that the Wins Produced numbers only go back to 1977-78, so some of us didn’t venture too far into players before that era. Ben won the coin toss and picked a surprising top pick. (Editor’s note: Dre is being sarcastic of course.) The rest of the results are below.

Picker

Pick

Player

Pick

Year

Ben 1 Magic Johnson 1 1979
Devin 2 Wilt Chamberlain 1* 1959
Arturo 3 Michael Jordan 3 1983
Andres 4 Charles Barkley 5 1984
Andres 5 Larry Bird 6 1979
Arturo 6 Kevin Garnett 5 1995
Devin 7 Chris Paul 4 2005
Ben 8 David Robinson 1 1989
Ben 9 Tim Duncan 1 1997
Devin 10 LeBron James 1 2003
Arturo 11 Scottie Pippen 5 1987
Andres 12 Jason Kidd 2 1994
Andres 13 Dikembe Mutombo 4 1991
Arutro 14 Bill Russell 2 1956
Devin 15 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1 1969
Ben 16 Grant Hill 3 1994

Table 2: All Time Fantasy Draft Picks

About midway through all of us ended up deciding to select a starting five, which had Devin in a bind as he had not constructed a backcourt and Ben had snatched up the top guards. On a fun note Arturo and Ben both decided to select championship tandems (E.J.  the resident Spurs fan will no doubt approve). Also the top three centers that played their greatest years out of the turnover era were all picked. Of course with only 16 picks, a few names are certain to have been missed.

Arturo’s Team

Player WP48(1st 4 Years) Wins (first 4 years) WP48(Total) Wins (Total)
Rajon Rondo 0.253 51.4 0.254 65.00
Arvydas Sabonis 0.306 45.7 0.279 66.00
Michael Jordan 0.338 71.66 0.333 284.20
Kevin Garnett 0.173 37.16 0.314 287.30
Scottie Pippen 0.175 37.38 0.223 190.60
Bill Russell * * * *

*Bill Russell played his career before 1978 and as such we do not have Wins Produced numbers for him.  We imagine, though, that they are amazing!!

Ben’s Team

Player WP48(1st 4 Years) Wins (first 4 years) WP48(Total) Wins (Total)
Manu Ginobili 0.238 38.20 0.267 98.9
Clyde Drexler 0.259 52.00 0.285 222.9
Magic Johnson 0.458 96.10 0.438 303.20
David Robinson 0.400 98.90 0.354 253.00
Tim Duncan 0.283 66.22 0.320 251.80
Grant Hill 0.283 73.03 0.201 137.90

 Devin’s Team

Player WP48(1st 4 Years) Wins (first 4 years) WP48(Total) Wins (Total)
Dennis Rodman 0.348 57.17 0.421 252.90
Bill Laimbeer 0.216 45.11 0.213 151.00
Wilt Chamberlain * * * *
Chris Paul 0.360 83.80 0.355 116.40
LeBron James 0.220 59.80 0.298 156.30
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar ** ** 0.201** 130.20**

* Wilt played before 1978 and unfortunately we don’t have his Wins Produced numbers. Again, though, they had to be amazing!!

** Kareem was drafted and played before 1978 as such we don’t have his Wins Produced rookie numbers and his “career” totals are all actually from after he was 30. Notice he was still pretty amazing.

Dre’s Team

Player WP48(1st 4 Years) Wins (first 4 years) WP48(Total) Wins (Total)
Ben Wallace 0.301 28.30 0.318 205.80
John Stockton 0.284 48.00 0.316 314.50
Charles Barkley 0.387 90.32 0.399 326.90
Larry Bird 0.348 87.66 0.362 259.50
Jason Kidd 0.221 49.76 0.306 297.70
Dikembe Mutombo 0.275 67.05 0.289 221.30

Summing Up

This was a ton of fun and we’d be more than happy to do the same kind of event with “new contestants”. I’d love to hear follow up comments, and of course, disagreements are welcome.

-Dre