A quick note… we have many questions from Freakonomics to answer (would like to get these answered by tomorrow). Plus this is the last day of classes at Southern Utah University. So this post is going to be short (yet hopefully still interesting).
ilikeflowers – a frequent commentator in this forum – asked the following question last night: has there ever been a 0.400+ player who didn’t reach the finals in their career?
To answer this question we need a list of all players who posted a 0.400 WP48 [Wins Produced per 48 minutes] in a season. Our data only goes back to 1977-78. Plus, I am going to restrict the examination to all players who appeared in at least 41 games and played more than 30 minutes per contest.
Given these restrictions, here are the 14 players who made this mark (in alphabetical order):
- Charles Barkley
- Larry Bird
- Kevin Garnett
- LeBron James
- Magic Johnson
- Michael Jordan
- Shawn Marion
- Hakeem Olajuwon
- Shaquille O’Neal
- Chris Paul
- David Robinson
- Dennis Rodman
- Ben Wallace
- Bill Walton
From this list, only Chris Paul and Shawn Marion have failed to make it to the NBA Finals.
Beyond that observation, one should note that only twelve teams have ever employed such a player (Boston, Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Houston, LA Lakers, Minnesota, New Orleans, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Portland, San Antonio). And only Chicago, Detroit, LA Lakers, and San Antonio have had two players reach the 0.400 mark in their uniform.
At the midpoint of this season, though, Kevin Love of the Timberwolves was above the 0.400 mark. Had Love maintained this production (he didn’t by the way), then Minnesota would have joined the list of teams that once employed two 0.400 players. And of these teams that drew a pair, only Minnesota would have failed to reach the NBA Finals.
This point is important because I saw a rumor (this was a few weeks ago and I don’t wish to find the link) that the T-Wolves are thinking of giving up on Love. From their perspective, Al Jefferson is the better power forward.
So this is one way your favorite team can get better this summer. Give Minnesota something for Love. Okay, that won’t work if your favorite team is the T-Wolves. If that is the case… well, how about those Twins (or Vikings)?
– DJ
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brgulker
April 21, 2010
There’s been some buzz in the Pistons media that Minny might be a good trade partner for Detroit this summer. I’d be interested in both Love and Sessions, but for whatever reason, Dumars seems to think Stuckey is the future.
Daniel
April 21, 2010
Spurs fan here. Tony Parker, DeJuan Blair, and Tiago Splitter for Love, Sessions, and Rubio. Neither team could do better given other options.
roughkat
April 21, 2010
I’ve been a big fan of Love since we traded on draft day to get him. I should note, I’m a Wolves season ticket holder and extremely biased. Love’s production fell off when the coach started taking away starts and minutes from him which caused him to become frustrated. He even made some comments about it mid/late March and then suspiciously he had some “injury” that caused him to miss several games.
I really hope they don’t give up on Love. If they do, it’s a telling sign that our new GM is no better than the last one.
Italian Stallion
April 21, 2010
Is Keven Love considered a good defender?
The Knicks need some front line help
Dre
April 21, 2010
So I have heard that Boozer, Love and Lee are all potential trades/walks from their teams. Just a fun table
Kevin Love: 0.360, 12.85
Carlos Boozer 0.345, 19.24
Pau Gasol: 0.343, 17.20
David Lee: 0.343, 21.57
Joakim Noah: 0.334, 13.42
Chris Bosh: 0.322, 16.959
This is the non team-adjusted list of all under 30 above .300 WP48 FC last year. So a franchise looking to build around an above under 30, above .300 big man is in luck this off-season. The real irony is that 3 of these prizes aren’t that coveted, and the lowest rated one is the most likely to get a max deal.
Italian Stallion
April 21, 2010
Dre,
The Knicks would love to keep David Lee, but he’s so limited defensively they know they have to either pair him with a long athletic defense oriented big man or let him go and bring in a more balanced two way player.
That’s why I inquired about Love’s defensive capabilities. If Lee either walks or is part of a sign and trade, perhaps the Knicks could fill the PF role with Kevin Love, not lose a thing, and save money!
Dre
April 21, 2010
Italian Stallion. The logic you listed for the Knicks there is the same logic that Portland gets blasted for taking Bowie over Jordan, namely taking based on need over talent.
Last year Lee was 10th in WP48 and 5th in total wins(both non-team adjusted). The Knicks problem isn’t David Lee’s play, it’s the rest of the team :
David Lee NY 0.343 21.57
Danilo Gallinari NY 0.154 8.81
Chris Duhon NY 0.110 4.76
Toney Douglas NY 0.119 2.69
Bill Walker NY 0.163 2.61
Wilson Chandler NY 0.047 2.28
Sergio Rodriguez NY 0.104 2.28
Al Harrington NY 0.034 1.57
Tracy McGrady NY 0.071 0.99
Earl Barron NY 0.193 0.93
Eddie House NY 0.029 0.74
J.R. Giddens NY 0.145 0.73
Jonathan Bender NY -0.013 -0.08
Eddy Curry NY -0.516 -0.67
Note that this not team adjusted, so the numbers are actually HIGHER than they should be. In terms of the Lebron James dream, he put up as many non-adjusted team wins as the rest of the Knicks did this year. . .
A final note. I don’t think you can tell your fans your goal for the 2010 offseason is to sign a Marquee free agent and let a top 10(WP48) player walk because you don’t like one aspect of his game.
Carleton Wu
April 21, 2010
has there ever been a 0.400+ player who didn’t reach the finals in their career?
That’s funny, I was just musing on a similar question, based on Joe Posnanski’s top 10. I wanted to make the case for Hakeem bc (subjectively) while most championship teams seem to have 1)at least 2 all-nba-quality players or 2)go 5+ deep with good players who all defend (Pistons, 90-91, and 00s), he won twice with a (again, subjectively) substandard supporting cast- take him off of the ’94 and I don’t think they reach the playoffs…
So my question is this: which championship team, minus the best player, had the smallest number of total PAWS? That is, which player achieved the ring with the smallest contribution from the rest of his team?
ilikeflowers
April 21, 2010
It’s amazing that CP3 at 6’0″ is on that list.
jbrett
April 21, 2010
Dr. Berri,
Aren’t you leaving out Kareem in 77-78?
ilikeflowers
April 21, 2010
What’s this WinShares thing? It has Kobe at #17 most productive per game (why per game?) all time. That automatically makes me very dubious. It makes me think that the model has been designed or selected to give expected results.
Dre
April 21, 2010
http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ws.html
ilikeflowers
April 21, 2010
So has anyone looked at how it stacks up to wp48 in the stability/team record (retroactive) prediction department? I see some threads about winshares 48 vs wp48 but there’s nothing useful there but anecdotes.
Dre
April 21, 2010
ILikeFlowers,
I suspect it lines up well. I think a bigger part of it is that the list is based on all time, not average. So many of the top players are those with long careers(Magic is behind Michael for instance).
Also in regards to Kobe, he has played many seasons at a well above average rate. If you look at the career Wins post, you can see Kobe is number 2 behind Magic on Lakers.
ilikeflowers
April 21, 2010
By team record (retroactive) prediction I’m talking about predicting the next year’s team record from per minute player ratings from the last year and especially as players switch teams. And of course this can only be done retroactively since we don’t know the minutes played in advance.
dberri
April 21, 2010
About Win Shares….
I have a paper that should be published in the next year (just a guess on the time on this). If your universe of models were PERs, adjusted plus-minus, and Win Shares, the latter is the best (when you consider current explanatory power and consistency over time. The WoW metrics, though, are more consistent over time (relative to Win Shares).
As for Kareem… I have his WP48 at 0.394 in 1977-78. So he came up short that year. I imagine he is above 0.400 in the years before the complete data set was available.
ilikeflowers
April 21, 2010
Dre,
that list is strange. If you go by per game then you are rewarding the players who play more minutes per game and that is something that Kobe does better than most. I imagine that the most elite of players aren’t playing the most minutes since their teams in general should be well ahead in most games. Their approach punishes players on elite teams. Given this Kobe’s ranking on that list makes sense.
I’m well aware that Kobe is a very good and durable player. I’ve just never thought of him as a top twenty all time type player even when I was just using my eyeballs. But that list isn’t really saying anything useful any way so it’s a moot point. One could produce the same sort of list using winscore just as well.
robbieomalley
April 21, 2010
Carleton Wu,
I haven’t looked at the numbers on the first Rockets championship team very closely. So I don’t really know what to say there. Eyeballing it, Otis Thorpe’s numbers look pretty good.
On the second one, Hakeem played with one Clyde Drexler. He was close to “all-nba quality.”
Italian Stallion
April 21, 2010
Dre,
David Lee is a very good player, but he gives up almost as much on defense as he contributes as a rebounder, efficient scorer and good passer (there are stats to verify that).
He can’t cope with tall Cs (quite understandable because he’s only 6′ 9″ and is playing out of position as a C), but he’s also not as athletic as many other PFs.
Lee is simply not a good individual defender even if his WP48 is impressive.
If the Knicks are going to keep Lee this summer, they know they will eventually have to make up for his shortcomings with either a legitimate C or a very long PF that can help in the middle.
The Knicks understand that very clearly (as does everyone that follows the team).
That’s what makes Kevin Love so intriguing.
If he’s a better defender, he’d be a lot cheaper than resigning Lee this summer without sacrificing much because Love is also very good.
The Knicks might be able to trade for Love and use the extra money towards one of the teams many other needs (like a legit C or a PG).
Rick H.
April 21, 2010
Many of the commenters at the wonderfully-thoughtful blog Knickerblogger have been pushing for a Lee-Camby frontcourt due to the perceived lack of defense on the part of Lee. I, too, agree with this idea (and for the cost of Bosh, why not spread the efficiency between two positions?). So yes, while Lee is easily the best and most efficient player on the Knicks, his defense, particularly against larger centers, has been atrocious.
Italian Stallion
April 21, 2010
DBerri,
You didn’t say what Love’s WP48 was for the year.
Have you calculated the year end numbers?
Italian Stallion
April 21, 2010
Rick,
I think I’ve already taken this thread slightly off topic with the discussion of Lee (even though Love as an alternative was the reason), but I agree with the analysis over at Knickerblogger. Camby would have been perfect. It’s his resigning with Portland that has really juiced the discussion about what to do with Lee next year because the Knicks know Lee can’t be the C.
Jimbo
April 21, 2010
“The Ticket Stub” didn’t crack this list?? Shocking!
dberri
April 21, 2010
IS,
I should be done with the year end numbers in a few days.
Find your story about Lee’s defense hard to believe. I think you have overstated your case a bit.
Italian Stallion
April 21, 2010
DBerri,
Thanks.
I can show you the stats I’m looking at, but I can’t vouch for them because they use PER and Opponents PER.
There’s a section called Production by Position that shows Lee’s PER as a PF and C and then gives the same info for his opponents.
http://www.82games.com/0910/09NYK17.HTM
When I look at the same kinds of comparisons for other high levels Cs and PFs, the gap tends to be larger. That indicates that even though Lee is well above average, he gives up more than average .
I may have overstated the case (as a frustrated Knicks fan), but the gist of what I am saying is more or less correct.
ilikeflowers
April 21, 2010
IS, given that Love is 5 years younger than Lee and taller as well it’d certainly be a great move for the Knicks. Still, isn’t Lee the least of the Knick’s problems? For a team that is so abysmal, he seems like an odd player to focus upon. How much more efficiently are opposing centers scoring relative to their norm against him? The PER difference could be that the taller centers are just taking more shots against him than other (taller) centers.
Also, if the TWolves let Love go then that team just needs to be disbanded. First wasting KG’s 0.400+ years and now thinking about letting a 21 year old 0.350+ performer go. That’s too much failure for one team.
Carleton Wu
April 21, 2010
Eyeballing it, Otis Thorpe’s numbers look pretty good. On the second one, Hakeem played with one Clyde Drexler. He was close to “all-nba quality.”
Good point; I’ve always liked Clyde, but Id remembered him being something of a shell of his former self by the time he got to the Rockets. That turns out not to be the case, at least statistically.
But Otis was really like a 15/10 guy, and while he was a fine teammate and a lunchpail player in the post, he wasn’t really all-NBA quality even in his prime, and he was in his early 30s when the Rockets won.
jbrett
April 21, 2010
Dr. Berri,
Sorry if I’m misinterpreting something, but you have two charts attached to older articles that show Kareem’s WP48 for 77-78 at 0.438, and a career chart with an estimated 0.486 for the same year. Was the data for each of those incomplete?
On the other subject, it seems to me that Lee plays center for a team that doesn’t have a center, and if Love ends up with the Knicks, ditto–unless the contention is that Lee is too slow to guard PF’s, for which I will require a great deal of evidence. There’s not much room in the LA frontcourt, but I’ll take either guy and shoehorn him in there–a situation which might challenge the accepted position about the effect of diminishing returns. Hard to believe you could have four guys in a frontcourt averaging arould 0.250 , or better, without someone’s numbers crashing, or the team running out of games to win.
Devil's Advocate
April 21, 2010
It’s more than a little presumptuous to say the Wolves will trade Love, particularly since you based the whole post on a rumor that you didn’t even link to. Wouldn’t it have been easier to just say “Kevin Love is still flying under the radar” as opposed to taking potshots at a front office based on a rumor? Why don’t you stick to stats, Berri, and not dip your toes into journalism or evaluations of GMs and coaches after one season. I watched about 75% of the Wolves’ games this season and follow them closely enough to know that their line of thinking with Love isn’t completely about how they evaluate him as a player; it’s about making sure he actually fulfills his potential and doesn’t let the stathead love from people like you overinflate his self-perception. Obviously, he’s a productive player, but it’s not like playing him 25-30 minutes a game instead of 30-35 minutes a game kept the Wolves out of the playoffs. Like it or not, he isn’t a superstar and probably never will be, yet in certain circles he’s treated like one as opposed to what he is: a very productive and efficient player who will never be a superstar because he lacks athleticism and the ability to create his own shot off the dribble or posting up.
mrparker
April 21, 2010
please see Noah, Joakim for an explanation of what could happen when its decided that the most productive players will play starter minutes
I have a feeling that Grunfeld would love to have Love so we’ll take him here in Washington.
mrparker
April 21, 2010
and anecdotally wasn’t Barkley traded by Philly because of what he lacked defensively?
And on the comeuppance Berri spoke of…does anyone thinks its possible that certain GM’s would demand certain players be played less?
Italian Stallion
April 21, 2010
ilikeflowers,
I agree that Lee is the least of the problems, but he’s the only significant player they have to make an important decision about.
The only players under contract are Gallo, Chandler, Douglas, and Curry. The only other players they “might” resign are Baron, Walker, and maybe Sergio Rodriguez. Everyone else is out. It’s basically a complete overhaul.
I think it’s worth thinking about because there are a lot of other solid PFs out there that could replace Lee (including Love).
I can’t tell you exactly how much more efficient opposing Cs are against Lee. I can tell you that if the other team has tall or very athletic C, he’s fairly likely to have an above average game. Also, if an opposing G beats his man on the perimeter, Lee is not going to be a factor in preventing him from getting a layup.
Italian Stallion
April 21, 2010
Jbrett,
If the Knicks traded “someone” for Love and allowed Lee to walk or used him as part of another deal in a sign and trade, they would more or less be in the same position “except” that Love would be cheaper. So they would have more cap room to fill a multitude of other needs.
ilikeflowers
April 21, 2010
Is Devil’s Advocate an alias for Khandor? Or is it yet another opinion-spouting-as-fact-without-a-shred-of-evidence robot?
Tindall
April 21, 2010
Hi.
I don’t think IS has overstated his case very much. His 82games.com link says as much. However, there is another source that offers equally compelling information on a player’s offensive and defensive abilities.: http://www.mysynergysports.com/
As you know, Synergy Sports, which tracks every possession in every game and compiles them in an easy to use way, is now available for fans.
Synergy Sports ranks David Lee as 337 in the league defensively and near the bottom among Centres in man-t0-man defense. He allows 0.98 point per shot. In contrast, Joel Pryzbilla allows .75 and Howard allows .82. This stat is based on every possession in every game; you can view each possession for yourself. No longer are we constrained to box score stats.
Keep in mind that this stat does not account for help defense. However, Lee is even worse as a help defender. Oh, and even Bargnani is superior to Lee defensively according to this stat (but not by much).
dberri
April 21, 2010
What needs to be established with defensive statistics is how consistent these are over time. The 82games.com stats were not very consistent. Inconsistent stats are probably not about the player assigned the stat.
mrparker
April 21, 2010
prof,
How frustrating is it that so many people assume that you never tried to consistent defensive stats. To some its as if you lazily decided that the box score was perfect and then designed a model around that hypothesis. It drives me crazy and its not my work.
Twinkie defense
April 22, 2010
LeBron has made it to the NBA Finals?
Twinkie defense
April 22, 2010
Wow, LeBron made it to the finals… that roadbump of a series has no place in my memory.
The Spurs however…
todd2
April 22, 2010
I’m with ilike flowers, Lee, Love, DeJuan Blair and Noah are all cut from the same cloth. Noah and Blair aren’t part of a conversation like this because they’re surrounded by better talent. None of them are 94 foot, help-and-recover, perimeter defenders, much less able to adequately defend something like a pick and roll or hedging/switching. They’re all what we call “productive” role players—not someone you would build a team around.
todd2
April 22, 2010
And in IS’s defense, some of those defensive skills aren’t readily apparent in a box score but can be sussed during the course of a game visually. An opponent’s points in the paint can be indicative of defensive post play also, whether it’s an inability to adequately rotate and help or poor defensive transition—which has to do with the mobility of bigger players. Points in the paint also happen because poor perimeter defenders get beat. These things don’t show up in box scores, either.
Italian Stallion
April 22, 2010
“What needs to be established with defensive statistics is how consistent these are over time. The 82games.com stats were not very consistent. Inconsistent stats are probably not about the player assigned the stat.”
DBerri,
This is probably one of the those things where our thinking parts ways.
I haven’t checked the consistency of the defensive stats, but I assume you are correct.
The problem is, we don’t have anything better.
I’m a crazy Knicks fan. I watch every game. I understand all the issues with trying to evaluate players from observation, but when something is fairly extreme, you can tell just by watching.
So when I look at some objective stats (even if they are mildly flawed) and they support my observations, I tend to lean towards my observations being correct.
brgulker
April 22, 2010
IS,
It’s one thing for an avid fan to rely on statistics that have been demonstrated to be inconsistent over time.
It’s an entirely different thing for an author who’s writing a peer-reviewed journal article and/or books that are going to print to rely in them.
Italian Stallion
April 22, 2010
Just to be clear, I’m not looking for stats to support my observations. I’m just looking for objective stats that seem to make some sense.
Opponents PER seems to be a fairly logical starting point despite the issues with PER that you have outlined so well.
If I had the time, energy, and statistical expertise, that’s probably one of the approaches I’d take.
That measurement seems to do a good job when you look at players that are routinely on the “best defensive players” lists.
Italian Stallion
April 22, 2010
brgulker,
I agree with you 100%.
However, I think limiting yourself to peer reviewed analysis can sometimes limit your understanding.
One of the points I’ve tried to make is that some people are above average observers, some have above average intuitive powers, some learn really well by trial and error etc…
Sometimes it takes academia time to prove what some people already know to be true.
I don’t claim to be anything special in this regard, but this is an example where I feel really confident that Lee is a below average individual defender and not very good as a help defender either. I just can’t prove it. :)
Tindall
April 22, 2010
mrparker – I’m not suggesting dberri thinks the box score is perfect. In fact, I recall him writing in this blog and in his book that there are areas of the box score that are imperfect and that if every possession in every game were tracked, we would have a much more complete way of evaluating players. Synergy Sports is just one source that offers this comprehensive type of evaluation. 82games.com is another source that attempts to do the same thing. The beauty with Synergy Sports is that every possession is associated with a video. We’re just at the tip of the iceberg, so I hope dberri will incorporate cutting-edge sources into his model as time goes on so we get a more accurate idea of who contributes most to w ins.
mrparker
April 22, 2010
Tindall,
I checked out your site. It’s going to cost me with the wife because I’m going to be spending a ton of time on it. That comment wasn’t in any way directed at you.
mrparker
April 22, 2010
re David Lee and opp PER,
Over the past 3 seasons David Lee has posted a PER difference of +2 at Center each season. That puts him in the top 10 Centers of the league conservatively. A top 10 center is going to have a gaudy wp48. Doesn’t that mean the two metrics are in agreement?
As far as David Lee not being athletic
brgulker
April 22, 2010
IS,
I hear you. I don’t rely on purely academic data either. I just wanted to express that I think it should be expected that Dr. Berri wouldn’t rely on data that’s demonstrably inconsistent.
dberri
April 22, 2010
One of the mistakes I made in introducing Wins Produced is that I forgot to tell people it was on the “cutting edge” (a phrased used once upon a time for adjusted plus-minus).
More seriously… if we have accurate measures of how many made shots a player allows, that can be easily incorporated into Wins Produced. But the measure has to be about the player in question. And that means it has to be consistent over time.
Leon
April 22, 2010
Doesn’t Bucksdiary/Courtside Analysis use a system of adding in “defence”. The trouble is, isolating defence to one player completely just is not possible. I mean double teams, team rebounds, help defence, defence in transition. At the very best we could hope for something that might give us a partial indicator of defensive capability.
I assume Dr. Berri that you have looked into the Bucksdiary intuition?
dberri
April 22, 2010
Leon,
We comment on this in this in the book. Bucksdiary — which is now Courtside Analyst — does add defense. Often the conclusions are the same. I would add, if you are not reading Courtside Analyst, you should (there is a link on the right).
Dre
April 22, 2010
So here’s an interesting question on Lee. Compare him to Bosh based purely on recorded stats. Bosh scores about 4 points more a game, and about 3 of these can be attribute to free throws. Otherwise their stats line up pretty closely.
Now going into the off-season Bosh is set up for Max, the question is just where. Lee is apparently fighting for 13 mill (about 3-4 below Max) and will probably not get it (At least from the Knicks)
I am really curious as to the factors to the NBA decision makers for this as two players with almost equal stats can be valued so differently (Franchise Max vs Good backup for 10). It may be the same arguments in this thread are those causing it to the decision makers.
Also odd note. Florida in the past 3 years has produced Horford, Noah and Lee. Man is that school an awesome FC factory or what?
brgulker
April 22, 2010
Dre,
My guess would be due to perceived limitations and the relative height of their “ceilings.” As was noted above (and debunked in some way via YouTube link), Lee is perceived as not very athletic. He’s also not thought to be good at “creating shots” for himself. Bosh is perceived to be relatively good in both areas.
As an aside, this gets at one of the most frustrating things about player evaluation in the NBA — from fans to execs to PR people, everyone overvalues how players do what they do. Hence, SportsCenter’s Top 10. Guys like Davie Lee, who just go out and produce, not flashy, not a highlight reel, aren’t valued as highly in spite of being every bit as productive as other players.
Ray
April 22, 2010
Its funny. Having watched a lot of Warriors games, I’m acquainted with pretty much every type of bad defense, and more and more it seems to me that good “positional” defense only makes a marginal impact at best–or rather, the difference between the “best” and “worst” positional defenders in the NBA doesn’t make for as great a difference as some people suspect.
Because in-game decision making is imperfect, teams still still take plenty of bad midrange shots against a porous defense–and they still miss a certain percentage of their open looks.
Rebounding (another Warriors specialty) or a steal is the only really tangible means of ending a possession. The Warrior’s opponents often wouldn’t have shot a particularly remarkable percentage from the field if they (read Carlos Boozer) hadn’t pulled down so many o-rebounds for easy put backs.
Since WP doesn’t account for “positional” defense at all, it stands to reason that if “positional” defense was important, then WP would be inaccurate in describing team wins. But WP is pretty accurate, ergo…
todd2
April 22, 2010
Baseball is doing something related to the amount of ground a fielder covers and the number of balls they get to. It’s something that needs to be visually tracked and charted. I’m sure someone in the NBA is doing the same thing (and keeping their mouth shut). Someone could chart a player’s relationship to the ball; whether it’s on the ball, help or weakside rotations. A defender is out of postion any time you see passes to cutters going throught the lane or weakside putbacks. Those aren’t things that readily come to mind when defenders are evaluated.
Cool Hand Luke
April 22, 2010
According to Queen City Hoops, David Lee allows opposing player .054 win score/min and thus .054 PAWSmin higher than those players expecting WS. That’s a very substantial difference.
ilikeflowers
April 22, 2010
professor, what if the cutoff is a little less? 0.400 looks nice but it’s ultimately arbitrary. What about players who hit say 0.375 or 0.350?
Tindall
April 22, 2010
dberri – I suggest you avoid buzzwords and instead take WoW into 3D.
John W
April 25, 2010
Great post, Mr Berri. Any chance you can denote the season(s) that these >= 0.4 seasons were achieved by the listed players?
Am curious to know the All NBA Starting 5 players in 5 year spans starting at 1986-90 (91-95, 96-00, 01-05, 06-10).
Also will there be a statistical impact on the players Win score if they play out of position (i.e Duncan at center, KG at SF vs. PF)?
Gewinne
May 16, 2010
hi
i’m so pleased that i saw this article. that comment was so insightful. thanks again i bookmarked this website.
are you planning to post similar articles?
Not necessarily
May 22, 2010
“Inconsistent stats are probably not about the player assigned the stat.”
Not necessarily. That is a sweeping, unsupported statement.