Andres ‘Dre’ Alvarez — of NerdNumbers — offered a post this week that generated some attention. His discussion of the merits of Derrick Rose led a number of people to suggest that he start watching basketball. In response to this argument, Dre offered the following at NerdNumbers (which is re-posted in its entirety below):
Just a note…what you are about to read is from Dre (in case that wasn’t clear). And if you don’t have a sense of humor…. well, this may not be for you.
DJ over at the Wages of Wins Journal was kind enough to reprint my article. I love it when this happens, as his blog has a larger audience then mine. However, some of his commenters are not as nice as mine. The first response to my Derrick Rose piece was
“Statistics are useless. Watch a game. Then you understand why he should undoubtedly be in the All-Star game in a starting position.”
It turns out this argument is nothing new. “Just watch” is a silly argument when on any given night there are one to fifteen games on and over 500 hours of game time by the time the All-Star game comes around.
Let’s say hypothetically that I found the time to watch the best performance though of each player in the league. What would the All-Star Starters look like then? Well I was pleased with the answer and thought it was worth a post. So with that here are your 2011 All-Stars, providing of course you had the foresight to actually watch them play on their best night and of course don’t do something silly like look at their aggregate stats over the season.
Pos | Player | Team | Opp | Date | MP | WP48 | Wins |
G | John Wall | WAS | HOU | 10-Nov | 42 | 0.761 | 0.67 |
G | Stephen Jackson | CHA | PHO | 20-Nov | 37 | 0.850 | 0.66 |
F | LeBron James | MIA | LAL | 25-Dec | 38 | 1.078 | 0.86 |
F | Kevin Garnett | BOS | CHI | 3-Dec | 33 | 1.093 | 0.76 |
C | Al Horford | ATL | DAL | 20-Nov | 37 | 1.012 | 0.78 |
Table 1: East Starting All-Stars based on their best game.
On the forward front the East looks right. Al Horford was a surprise to play in front of Dwight Howard, given Dwight’s rank on the best games lists. However the guard situation becomes much more amusing. The Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo and Wade decision is gone, with John Wall and Stephen Jackson having the best games so far this season. I can’t imagine why fans of three such successful franchises as Boston, Chicago and Miami aren’t watching teams more than 10 games back in their spare time.
Pos | Player | Team | Opp | Date | MP | WP48 | Wins |
G | Arron Afflalo* | DEN | PHO | 11-Jan | 39 | 0.842 | 0.68 |
G | Kobe Bryant | LAL | IND | 27-Jan | 35 | 0.919 | 0.67 |
F | Kevin Durant | OKC | MIN | 26-Jan | 50 | 0.801 | 0.83 |
F | Kevin Love | MIN | NYK | 12-Nov | 41 | 0.913 | 0.77 |
C | Andris Biedrins | GSW | MEM | 26-Nov | 42 | 0.767 | 0.67 |
Table 2: West Starting All-Stars based on their best game.
I’m happy with the West because a Nugget I liked “legitimately” makes the cut. However, the West actually doesn’t look as good compared to the East using this model, which ironically mimics the real world. Love is an excellent choice, but the rest of the starters have not consistently been the best players out West this season. Part of the issue with center is of course that many of the excellent centers out West (including Love) are listed at forward. Still, if the goal was exciting popular players, then the West hits at least two times.
I think many people vote for their favorite players (that is of course the point of the All-Star game) but feel offended when they find their favorite player isn’t everybody’s favorite. That said, no amount of clutch play, excitement factors, leadership and other such intangibles will do much to sway me from disagreeing with players like Kobe, Melo and to a degree Derrick Rose from starting over other players (or playing at all in Melo’s case). The other option of course is what I have done here, where I looked only at the stats I wanted to see to make my player look good. Most players have played 30-50 games at this point and using only one game to decide if they are All-Star worthy is silly. I’m willing to bet that most people usually only watch their home team play on a regular basis. Of course judging the entire NBA on a small set of games watched is probably silly as well, but apparently it is something people do.
-Dre
*Afflalo would have had to have been a write in vote, which is allowed.
This article uses the Wins Produced and Wins Produced per 48 minutes (WP48) metrics. These use the player’s box score statistics, the team statistics, and league averages to estimate how the player contributes to winning. An average player has a WP48 of 0.100. For a regular starter this would generate around 6.0 wins for the team in a full season of play. By contrast a “superstar” player has a WP48 of 0.250 and in the same minutes would generate around 15.0 wins for the team.
reservoirgod
January 30, 2011
I’m just glad Dre didn’t write a post touting Renaldo Balkman as an All-Star :-)
dberri
January 30, 2011
I don’t think anyone has to say that Balkman is an All-Star. That is just obvious :)
Kent
January 30, 2011
thsi methodology is terrible. you can’t just rely on best game to deduce which players deserve to start in the all-star game. duh
troywheatley
January 30, 2011
Haha, interesting response Dre, but it’s being a little unfair to your “accuser”. The point seems to be that you can watch any game with Rose and see why he is among the top two guards in the East, not that you necessarily have to watch his best one. But having said that, I’m sure you’ve watched Rose play at some point, and are still happy to trust the numbers over the flashy moves.
nat
February 1, 2011
So the number crunching is now sufficiently advanced that WP48 and Wins can readily be calculated for each player in each game.
Would it be possible to prepare a box score for one high visibility game, listing some or all of the usual entries plus WP48 and Wins? Publishing such a box score could help make the light bulb go on in the head of even the densest fan.
Nerdnumbers
February 2, 2011
Nat,
http://nerdnumbers.com/game-splits
I’m working on it :)
Arturo, myself and Mosi also tend to post game numbers on a pretty regular basis.
Nat
February 2, 2011
Tried Nerd Numbers/Game Split for February 1 — Boston.
I must be doing something wrong, because I found that every player on the team had negative wins for the game.
Nerdnumbers
February 2, 2011
Nat,
Caught me on a bad day. Data is bad for last night’s build and unfortunately I am away from a computer than I can fix it with at the moment. Older days should be correct and I should have it fixed tonight.
Nat
February 2, 2011
Yes, the numbers for Sunday’s Heat team seem better. But I still have some problem with them. Much as I like Mike Miller’s game, I don’t see how the NBA supplied points, field goal shooting and rebounds (+ assists in the case of LeBron) yield these WP 48 and Wins.
LeBron James 23 7 of 14 4 40.21 0.43 0.36 13
Mike Miller 6 2 of 6 8 28.58 0.42 0.25
Dwyane Wade 32 13 of 22 9 41.13 0.093 0.08
Chris Bosh 20 8 of 13 7 35.83 -0.013 -0.01